I was looking for somewhere, a seminar venue, in the southside of Glasgow yesterday, and couldn't find the bloody place.
I stopped the car, and asked a group of 3 people for directions. I did my usual, cut into their conversation and shouted `Hey guys, can you tell me where xyz is?'. One of the guys wasn't sure, but the girl told me roughly where it was. She was very pretty, and looked middle-eastern. She gave me a smile, then said `where have I seen you before?'.
It soon became apparent that the guys didn't know the girl either, and they were asking directions or something. I ignored the guys and said to the girl `If you're going that way, I'll drop you down. I'm really running late for my seminar. My students will all be panicking'.
She said `cool', and jumped into the car. I said `do you wanna come and watch the class, who knows, I might even end up with a new student'. Found out she was a beauty therapist and reflexologist, and lived in the west end of Glasgow, where she had her own place. (I noted this down for later).
She watched the seminar, and watched the female students give me IOIs. This showed my pre-selection value to her. I decided to really put a show on. At the end of the seminar I related a story about how I once protected a female friend from a group of thugs, and sent them all
packing. I told the seminar about how I phoned my pals, and they were there within minutes, and helped me deal with the thugs (survival and replication value).
Anyway, the seminar ended. I walked her outside, and she was about to phone her mum, and realized she had no credit in her phone. She asked me if she could borrow my phone. I said `yeah, but it'll cost you', in a cocky funny way. She called her mum. I thought, fuck it, and
offered her a lift into Glasgow, as I was going there anyway. She spilt some red bull in my car.
We got outside her flat, and I said `I'm coming inside, need to get a towel or something to clean your mess up'. She giggled and said ok.
We got upstairs, and she went to make a cup of tea. Found out she had no milk, so we took a walk to one of the shops, and bought milk and a couple of rolls and cakes.
Got back to the flat, she made the tea, and I made the rolls. I constantly teased her about the state of her kitchen and how disorganized she was, just like a bratty little sister. She told me
of her family background, how she was a Pakistani hindu, and about her beliefs. I said to her `to be honest, I couldn't care less'. She was like, `what?'. I said I'm just here to eat your food and get my car cleaned, then I'm outta here, got to go and see my girlfriend'. I did this to create scarcity and to hammer the fact home that I came pre-selected. Also, I didn't want to be stuck in the friendships zone, and I kinoed her as I said this. Plus, I had very strong feelings that a lay was on the cards.
The IOIs started coming, she touched my ass by `accident', I brushed against her breasts `by mistake', smelt her hair, and breathed on the neck. We went into the living room, where she offered to massage my feet. I agreed, and I massaged hers.
I then offered to give her a back rub, then she said `I need to go for a shower . . .'. She showered, and I talked to her on the other side of the curtain. She said `I hope you don't think I've brought
you here for something, I think you're a really decent guy, but I'm not that kind of girl'. I said `I'm not that kind of guy, either, plus, I really need to get going'.
She came out of the shower, and I started massaging her shoulders on the couch. I said `I'm too uncomfortable here, lets go somewhere more comfortable'. She led me to her bedroom.
She lay on the bed, I lay next to her and started kissing her. We kissed for a while, and she started to moan and grind me . . . then the phone rang. I don't know who it was, but it was male. She said `my friend's coming, he really cocoons me, lets get out of here, take me to the hills!'. (wtf?!). I said `what hills?', she said `Loch Lomond'. I said, `fine, get you coat on'.
We drove to Loch Lomond, and I let her drive. Remind me never to let a woman drive my car again.
She started making plans about us going camping and shit, which I didn't entertain at all. I did not want to start seeing this girl.
We went down to the pier, kissed and caressed. Popped into an Indian restaurant and bought some pakoras.
I said to her `I don't sleep with girls till after I get to know them, I find it's always better to wait, it's more electrifying. The anticipation is like opening a Christmas present' (think Counting
House!).
She was fucking confused!!!!!!!! Push Pull is fucking awesome.
She said something like `yeah, it's much harder to keep control, than give in to your lust'.
I then said to her, `our friendship is important to me, I feel like I've known you a long time, and don't want to ruin it', then I give her the longest, most lingering kiss, then stopped and said `we
should get going, I need to get home'.
We drove back to the flat. I said `I've got to go now'. She said `no, just come up for two minutes, and make sure I'm safe'.
I went up, she locked the door and hid the key!!!
I said `I really do have to go, honey, I'll keep in touch'.
She said `just come to the living room for a minute, I want to show you something.'
I went there, she kissed me, and I stopped her again. She then pushed me onto the couch, and straddled me, and started grinding against me and had her tongue down my throat'.
When we came up for air, she said `you've got me so horny, and I'll have to have a cold shower if you don't fuck me now, you can't leave without fucking me'.
She had me pinned to the couch, and wouldn't let me move! Imagine if a guy did that to a girl!
I said `baby, this isn't right, I've got to go home'.
She started taking my clothes off, undid my belt, I started stripping her, at the same time as giving her reasons why we shouldn't do it.
For some reason, it only made her more horny. She was a total animal.
After the living room, we moved into the bedroom.
All this time, I still hadn't number-closed her. As I was leaving, she forced me to take her number! I number-closed a girl, AFTER I'd fuck closed her.
She kept telling me that she will cook things for me, and wants me to stay weekends, meet her friends and shit like that. I didn't say anything. She said `I really like you'.
However, when I got home, I checked my pocket, found her phone! I was holding it, while we were at Loch Lomond. Need to find a way to return it now . . . maybe another session?!
IceDragon
Sunday 11 May 2008
Day Approaching
I was in the supermarket the other day, looking to buy some juice, and there was this beautiful girl with a shopping basket, looking at the tinned food. I casually walked up, and took a tin of spam and put it into her basket, then said 'take that', then I took some tuna and also put it
into her basket, and said 'that too'. She started laughing and said 'do you recommend that?'. I said 'yeah, you need to bulk up bigstyle' (I lied, she had a perfect body).
I saw from her t-shirt that she was the member of a swimming club. I said 'hmmm, so you're a swimmer . . bet you've got strong arms'. She then proceeded to flex her muscles! I squeezed her arms, which got her laughing again.
I dragged her to the fruit and veg section, because I felt she needed to 'eat more healthily'. She said 'no, look, I've got veg in my basket, are you proud that I'm eating healthily'.
I told her how much admire girls who participate in sports, as I'm also a keen sportsman
and can appreciate the benefits of physical activity (blah blah blah). Fluffed my way through comfort and rapport.
I number-closed, then exited.
Went into Sainsbury's for a sandwich. Walked up to one of the checkout girls and said 'I love you', saw the stunned expression on her face, then walked away. Came back with my sandwich, her
colleagues started badgering me to take her number!!
On the way out, this 40ish year old woman stopped me for a survey on fast food burgers. I agreed to take part, she said 'well come in to my office' (which was actually two steps away near a window). Decided to use misrepresentation and said 'what? we've only just met'. She said with a straight face, looking into my eyes 'I invited you into my office, not my bed'. It was really flirtatious the way she said it. I thought 'the gaming has to stop when talking to 40
year old survey taking women!'. She started asking me where I was from, and how she loved the way I carried myself . . . erm! I exited.
Once you get into a state, things just snap into place.
IceDragon
into her basket, and said 'that too'. She started laughing and said 'do you recommend that?'. I said 'yeah, you need to bulk up bigstyle' (I lied, she had a perfect body).
I saw from her t-shirt that she was the member of a swimming club. I said 'hmmm, so you're a swimmer . . bet you've got strong arms'. She then proceeded to flex her muscles! I squeezed her arms, which got her laughing again.
I dragged her to the fruit and veg section, because I felt she needed to 'eat more healthily'. She said 'no, look, I've got veg in my basket, are you proud that I'm eating healthily'.
I told her how much admire girls who participate in sports, as I'm also a keen sportsman
and can appreciate the benefits of physical activity (blah blah blah). Fluffed my way through comfort and rapport.
I number-closed, then exited.
Went into Sainsbury's for a sandwich. Walked up to one of the checkout girls and said 'I love you', saw the stunned expression on her face, then walked away. Came back with my sandwich, her
colleagues started badgering me to take her number!!
On the way out, this 40ish year old woman stopped me for a survey on fast food burgers. I agreed to take part, she said 'well come in to my office' (which was actually two steps away near a window). Decided to use misrepresentation and said 'what? we've only just met'. She said with a straight face, looking into my eyes 'I invited you into my office, not my bed'. It was really flirtatious the way she said it. I thought 'the gaming has to stop when talking to 40
year old survey taking women!'. She started asking me where I was from, and how she loved the way I carried myself . . . erm! I exited.
Once you get into a state, things just snap into place.
IceDragon
Hot Chinese Girl in a Nightclub
I approached this Chinese girl in a club once. She actually said to me 'you're just a player aren't you, how many times have you used that line before?'.
Now, to be honest, I didn't intend it to sound like a line, but as soon as she said that, I went into a different mode. I had to options. Firstly, I could have gone all embarrassed and apologetic, then disappeared, but I decided to turn things around and start teasing her, so I started to do cheesy lines, that it was obvious I wasn't taking myself too seriously.
She said 'you're wasting all your good lines'.
I held her close then asked her friend 'don't we just make a perfect couple?'
I was with a friend at that time, he said to me in front of the girl 'what about your girlfriend?'
I just looked at him and laughed 'What about her?'
She started busting me back. She said 'You are the most wonderful, fascinating, charming . . . . LIAR'.
I jokingly said to her 'You're the woman of my dreams, I'll do anything for you'.
She said 'kiss my toes'.
I bent down, then she said 'nooooo, I was only kidding'.
I said 'I was only bending down to tie my shoelace.'
She started laughing. Got so much touching from her it was unbelievable. She made every excuse she could to touch me.
I went home with her that night.
IceDragon
Now, to be honest, I didn't intend it to sound like a line, but as soon as she said that, I went into a different mode. I had to options. Firstly, I could have gone all embarrassed and apologetic, then disappeared, but I decided to turn things around and start teasing her, so I started to do cheesy lines, that it was obvious I wasn't taking myself too seriously.
She said 'you're wasting all your good lines'.
I held her close then asked her friend 'don't we just make a perfect couple?'
I was with a friend at that time, he said to me in front of the girl 'what about your girlfriend?'
I just looked at him and laughed 'What about her?'
She started busting me back. She said 'You are the most wonderful, fascinating, charming . . . . LIAR'.
I jokingly said to her 'You're the woman of my dreams, I'll do anything for you'.
She said 'kiss my toes'.
I bent down, then she said 'nooooo, I was only kidding'.
I said 'I was only bending down to tie my shoelace.'
She started laughing. Got so much touching from her it was unbelievable. She made every excuse she could to touch me.
I went home with her that night.
IceDragon
Stunning Indian Woman
I was in the supermarket yesterday, and this Indian couple were shopping together. The husband was looking at the courgettes, while his nubile young wife was checking out the water
melons. I walked up and stood next to her and just looked at her (obviously using alpha body language, leaning back, etc). I looked into her eyes and smiled. Smiled with my lips, mouth and with my eyes. I made sure my whole body smiled and radiated power. The girl was genuinely taken aback and returned my smile, with a warm smile of her own. She couldn't help but smile, if she thought about it logically, why should she look at a complete stranger, another man and smile at him while her husband was there. It's just not the 'done thing'. It's not what society has conditioned us to do. Of course, who gives a shit what society says.
There's nothing like a genuine, warm smile from a beautiful woman. It truly lifts your state. Then she said 'hi'. I said 'hi, I like you, I want to get to know you'. She was dazed and just stood there like a stunned rabbit staring into the headlights, accepting it's destiny. I then said 'who are you, anyway'. She said 'my name is Savita, what's your name?'. I said 'IceDragon', I can't stay long, got to be somewhere, lets exchange phone numbers, and we'll get a coffee sometime'.
She duly gave me her number. I number-closed a woman in front of her husband. Naturally, I deleted her number as soon as I left the supermarket.
Just make eye contact and smile at every girl you see. If you do it without giving a fuck about getting a response, you will elicit a genuine smile back. I don't mean one of those fucked up 'fake'
smiles which are put on (you can tell them a mile away), but a genuine, 'who are you, I really want to get to know you' smile.
About two weeks ago, I was walking down this street, in Denver. I was looking for some place. This stunner, and I mean totally stunning woman was walking towards me. I stood in front of her, spread my arms and said 'stop' (not right in front of her, but a couple of steps back!!).
I didn't say anything else, and stood there, looking into her eyes and smiling. She was taken about, grinned and me and said 'hi', in a really flirty way!
I then said 'hi', then duly walked away.
I kicked myself for not gaming her and closing her, because my internal voice told me that she was ripe for sarging. On the other hand, this other little voice told me that this was not normal.
It's called cognitive dissonance. I learned a lot from that - do not trust what society has instilled in you.
Yesterday at the supermarket, I laid to rest the ghost of that day. We can all fuck up, but it's how you recover from the fuck-up that counts. Make every day a learning experience, and when you need it the most, the game won't let you down.
IceDragon
It is not advisable to go around telling girls you 'like them', unless you say it from a position of power. This is strictly for street pickup where you have to create attraction in NANOSECONDS. In bars, stick with opinion openers, similarly in clubs, stick with one-liners, and quick opinion openers, but on the street, you should make it clear what your intentions are, that
you are a man, you don't do bullshit, and knows exactly what he wants. That creates instant attraction.
melons. I walked up and stood next to her and just looked at her (obviously using alpha body language, leaning back, etc). I looked into her eyes and smiled. Smiled with my lips, mouth and with my eyes. I made sure my whole body smiled and radiated power. The girl was genuinely taken aback and returned my smile, with a warm smile of her own. She couldn't help but smile, if she thought about it logically, why should she look at a complete stranger, another man and smile at him while her husband was there. It's just not the 'done thing'. It's not what society has conditioned us to do. Of course, who gives a shit what society says.
There's nothing like a genuine, warm smile from a beautiful woman. It truly lifts your state. Then she said 'hi'. I said 'hi, I like you, I want to get to know you'. She was dazed and just stood there like a stunned rabbit staring into the headlights, accepting it's destiny. I then said 'who are you, anyway'. She said 'my name is Savita, what's your name?'. I said 'IceDragon', I can't stay long, got to be somewhere, lets exchange phone numbers, and we'll get a coffee sometime'.
She duly gave me her number. I number-closed a woman in front of her husband. Naturally, I deleted her number as soon as I left the supermarket.
Just make eye contact and smile at every girl you see. If you do it without giving a fuck about getting a response, you will elicit a genuine smile back. I don't mean one of those fucked up 'fake'
smiles which are put on (you can tell them a mile away), but a genuine, 'who are you, I really want to get to know you' smile.
About two weeks ago, I was walking down this street, in Denver. I was looking for some place. This stunner, and I mean totally stunning woman was walking towards me. I stood in front of her, spread my arms and said 'stop' (not right in front of her, but a couple of steps back!!).
I didn't say anything else, and stood there, looking into her eyes and smiling. She was taken about, grinned and me and said 'hi', in a really flirty way!
I then said 'hi', then duly walked away.
I kicked myself for not gaming her and closing her, because my internal voice told me that she was ripe for sarging. On the other hand, this other little voice told me that this was not normal.
It's called cognitive dissonance. I learned a lot from that - do not trust what society has instilled in you.
Yesterday at the supermarket, I laid to rest the ghost of that day. We can all fuck up, but it's how you recover from the fuck-up that counts. Make every day a learning experience, and when you need it the most, the game won't let you down.
IceDragon
It is not advisable to go around telling girls you 'like them', unless you say it from a position of power. This is strictly for street pickup where you have to create attraction in NANOSECONDS. In bars, stick with opinion openers, similarly in clubs, stick with one-liners, and quick opinion openers, but on the street, you should make it clear what your intentions are, that
you are a man, you don't do bullshit, and knows exactly what he wants. That creates instant attraction.
Spanish Senorita
A while ago, I felt like meeting a Spanish or South American girl.
I placed an online ad, advertising that I wanted Spanish lessons.
I sifted through my replies, deleting all the guys, and asking for photos of the girls. Most of them were like 'wtf', why is this guy after photos?'. I know, it sounds crazy, but I wasn't going to risk another 50 year old Spanish woman from Edinburgh'!!!!!! It was a scary story.
Anyway, I got this reply from this gorgeous 19 year old Spanish blonde called Rosana, who was still in Spain, but was coming to Glasgow. We chatted on MSN for a couple of days. I gave her my mobile number, and she called me as soon as she touched British soil, Manchester Airport.
I met her in Glasgow city centre, accompanied by my friend. He then left us, and we went for a coffee and a long drive . . . . let me just say that we didn't talk about Spanish lessons . . .
To cut a long story short, my friend from Tanzania was up, and he told me he wanted to meet her, as he wanted to practice his Spanish. I stupidly gave him her number, and he fucked it up by scaring the living shit out of her, and that was the end of that.
So, a couple of days ago, I re-posted that ad, out of sheer boredom, and got an email from this sexy brunette called 'Isabella'. Admittedly, not as stunning as Rosana (Rosana literally stopped traffic), but very pretty, nevertheless, and with a great body.
After exchanging a couple of emails, she was very eager to meet me, so we met today at 1pm, on George Square, near the two lion statues.
We went to Europa, and shared a pizza, and chatted. I did the ring finger routine on her (I do this with every girl..
At this moment, two Asian girls who I knew walked in, and we exchanged pleasantries. All the guys were staring at them, and they came and chatted to me. This did wonders for my social proofing, in front of the Spanish girl.
I actually had another date at 3pm, so I had to move things along. I suggested we take a walk to the bookstore (yeah, only thing I could think off). Anyway, we had a look at some books, took the piss out of Michel Thomas (a language grandmaster).
I found out she was fluent in Spanish, German and English. I told her that I was impressed, and touched her arm. She felt validated, beamed from ear to ear and started qualifying herself 'here's something to impress you even more, I studied Russian for 3 years, and am currently learning Slovakian'. Hot and intelligent, my kind of woman!
We arranged to meet on Monday at 4pm at her flat . . . for a one on one Spanish session. Now, this girl told me she has a Slovakian boyfriend, and I do feel a bit guilty, knowing that I don't want fucking Spanish lessons, just her hot, naked body.
I really don't know whether to cancel on her on Monday, or continue and go to her flat and let things take their course.
I made sure there was sexual tension. The girl did not want me to leave her, and kept saying 'I'm free all afternoon'.
I'll cancel. It is important to have an ethical dimension, and not abuse your seduction skills.
So, I met this other girl, half Sierra Leonese and half Ukrainean (what a combination!). I took her to Europa, where we had a coffee, the barmaids gave me a grin, and one of them remembered me from Monday, when I had brought another girl there!
Needless to say, I didn't get any work done today!
Life is good!
IceDragon
I placed an online ad, advertising that I wanted Spanish lessons.
I sifted through my replies, deleting all the guys, and asking for photos of the girls. Most of them were like 'wtf', why is this guy after photos?'. I know, it sounds crazy, but I wasn't going to risk another 50 year old Spanish woman from Edinburgh'!!!!!! It was a scary story.
Anyway, I got this reply from this gorgeous 19 year old Spanish blonde called Rosana, who was still in Spain, but was coming to Glasgow. We chatted on MSN for a couple of days. I gave her my mobile number, and she called me as soon as she touched British soil, Manchester Airport.
I met her in Glasgow city centre, accompanied by my friend. He then left us, and we went for a coffee and a long drive . . . . let me just say that we didn't talk about Spanish lessons . . .
To cut a long story short, my friend from Tanzania was up, and he told me he wanted to meet her, as he wanted to practice his Spanish. I stupidly gave him her number, and he fucked it up by scaring the living shit out of her, and that was the end of that.
So, a couple of days ago, I re-posted that ad, out of sheer boredom, and got an email from this sexy brunette called 'Isabella'. Admittedly, not as stunning as Rosana (Rosana literally stopped traffic), but very pretty, nevertheless, and with a great body.
After exchanging a couple of emails, she was very eager to meet me, so we met today at 1pm, on George Square, near the two lion statues.
We went to Europa, and shared a pizza, and chatted. I did the ring finger routine on her (I do this with every girl..
At this moment, two Asian girls who I knew walked in, and we exchanged pleasantries. All the guys were staring at them, and they came and chatted to me. This did wonders for my social proofing, in front of the Spanish girl.
I actually had another date at 3pm, so I had to move things along. I suggested we take a walk to the bookstore (yeah, only thing I could think off). Anyway, we had a look at some books, took the piss out of Michel Thomas (a language grandmaster).
I found out she was fluent in Spanish, German and English. I told her that I was impressed, and touched her arm. She felt validated, beamed from ear to ear and started qualifying herself 'here's something to impress you even more, I studied Russian for 3 years, and am currently learning Slovakian'. Hot and intelligent, my kind of woman!
We arranged to meet on Monday at 4pm at her flat . . . for a one on one Spanish session. Now, this girl told me she has a Slovakian boyfriend, and I do feel a bit guilty, knowing that I don't want fucking Spanish lessons, just her hot, naked body.
I really don't know whether to cancel on her on Monday, or continue and go to her flat and let things take their course.
I made sure there was sexual tension. The girl did not want me to leave her, and kept saying 'I'm free all afternoon'.
I'll cancel. It is important to have an ethical dimension, and not abuse your seduction skills.
So, I met this other girl, half Sierra Leonese and half Ukrainean (what a combination!). I took her to Europa, where we had a coffee, the barmaids gave me a grin, and one of them remembered me from Monday, when I had brought another girl there!
Needless to say, I didn't get any work done today!
Life is good!
IceDragon
Rendezvous with a Beautiful Hungarian Woman
So, I had been corresponding with this Hungarian girl from London for a while, and finally, on Saturday lunchtime, she flew to Glasgow, via British Airways.
I met her at the airport, 20 minutes late, as I had slept in, she looked striking, slim, size 10, brunette, with blue eyes, my favourite, I greeted her with a hug, and I drove straight to the hotel I had booked.
I carried her bag for her, and I held the door open for her. Supplication? Some of you are probably thinking that. I can assure you, in the context and frame of things, it was the right to do.
I took her to the hotel, and then suggested she rest for a couple of hours, while I left, as I had things to do. I didn't even kiss her, but stayed for about 5 minutes, used the toilet, and left immediately, giving her a brief hug.
The purpose of this was to get her used to the fact that I had been in her hotel room, and didn't try anything with her.
So, I arrived back at the hotel two hours later, and she opened the door for me, looking sexy and relaxed . . . she had been sleeping!
She got ready, and we went to a Chinese restaurant called 'Cathay Cuisine', for a meal.
Yes, I'll admit it. I paid for the hotel, and I paid for the meal. Again, I am risking accusations of supplication, but I don't agree that it was supplication in this case. It all depends on the context, and the frame. She had spent time and money to fly up to Glasgow to come and see me, so I obviously had enough value in her eyes. To pay for the hotel and dinner was the decent and gentlemanly thing to do.
We were supposed to meet friends in Glasgow, however, we were in Cumbernauld (I left it too late, and all the Glagow hotels were fully booked, the only place I found was in Cumbernauld). So, we sat in the hotel room and watched TV for a bit, as it was too early to head out. I kino escalated, then took away.
This culminated in a kiss, and led to a deep, lingering kiss. Then I broke it off by saying that I was feeling really tired and needed to have a quick kip, and I went and lay on the bed. I said that she was free to join me, as we were going to have a late night, and getting sleep just now would be the sensible thing to do!
She followed suit, but switched the bedside lamp on, as I had switched off the main light. I then switched the tv off, as it was distracting me from sleeping, and a couple of minutes later, I switched the bedside lamp off.
There was a distance between us on the bed, so I mentioned that I was cold (an excuse to cuddle her!). Inevitably, we started kissing and caressing again. I then knew we wouldn't make it to the club that night. I texted my friends . . . and let them know.
She then stopped me . . . and said 'we have to stop', I said 'nothing is going to happen between us tonight, just kissing', then I continued kissing her, and nibbling on her neck, she gave me no resistance, but I could sense her breathing had changed. She switched the bedside lamp on again.
I undid her blouse, and unstrapped her bra to reveal two perked up, pink nipples and a pieced belly button. I proceeded to enjoy her breasts and nipples, then I took my own top off, so that she could feel my body against hers.
I then undid her belt and took off her jeans, and kissed her genitals without removing her panties. To my delight, she was wearing a sexy pair of stockings, and had perfectly pedicured toes . . .
I undressed and we kissed, and her breathing changed, and her face and neck flushed red . . . her tongue went on overdrive inside my mouth, and I knew this was the time to initiate sex.
I took the condom I had placed under the pillow earlier, and put it on, and I slowly penetrated her warm, tight pussy.
It was great, but 40 minutes later she stopped and said 'something's happened'.
I'm like 'what?!'. I withdrew, and she touched her groin . . . blood!!
I thought I had cut myself on her belly button piercing or something. Sounds stupid, but I don't recall exactly what I was thinking.
I was in a bit of a daze, she assured me, it's not you, I think I'm having my period . . . early!
This was the first time I had ever encountered this, and the condom was also covered in blood, as were my testicles!
I went to the bathroom intending to clean myself up, she stopped me and said 'I'm not in pain, lets finish it off'!
This was crazy, and I was in no mood to have sex. But, for some fucked up logic, I agreed, and proceeded to shag her again.
After we had finished, I went straight to the bathroom, and disposed of the condom, and jumped into the shower, and thoroughly cleaned myself. She watched me as I was doing it, constantly apologising.
She washed herself, and cleaned the blood from the sheets, using soap and cold water.
As we lay in bed, watching the Premiership highlights (Portsmouth v Aston Villa) she started crying and said 'I spoiled it for you'. I held her close, reassured her, and told her it wasn't her fault. I vaguely recall her saying 'I will be okay tomorrow'.
We fell asleep, and the next morning, I awoke to the sensation of her licking my balls!! We started fucking again, and she nearly bit my lower lip off, and it felt as if we were in a sauna, because we were both drenched in sweat - must have been the pent up emotion from the night before.
When I came, she wouldn't let me out, and she gazed deeply into my eyes and started saying something in Hungarian, I didn't know what she was saying, but it sounded very sexy!
When we finished, she looked down . . . more blood!!
Fucking hell, back to the bathroom, and we both jumped into the shower, while washing each other, she started singing in Hungarian!
I asked her what she was saying during sex. She told me she was saying 'I love your eyes, I love your lips, I don't know why it's happening so fast, I've never felt like this before'.
We came out, and she washed the sheets again, and we went down to breakfast.
I had two fortune cookies left in my pocket from the Chinese restaurant last night, and I opened the hot brunette waitress with one of them. I said 'tell me what your fortune is'.
She went away with our breakfast order, and came back and said to me 'your talents will be recognised'. That's what her fortune cookie said. From this we chatted about what her 'talents' were! She told me she was an artist.
However, I had temporarily forgotten that I was with this other girl, who was scowling at me from across the breakfast table. When the waitress left, she said 'why were you flirting with that girl when you're with me?'. It told her to relax and said that's the way we do things in Scotland, we're all really friendly to each other.
We had breakfast, and we went upstairs, and she got ready, and applied her makeup and wore smart clothes and Christian Dior sunglasses. What a stunner!
We checked out the hotel, bantered with the receptionist, and went to the petrol station.
We drove to the Burrell Collection, strolled there for a while, I bought her a book called 'the Burrell Collection'!, wrote a personal message for her on the inside cover, then we went for a bite to eat at Fazzi's, an Italian place in the city centre.
By the way, the Burrell Collection is amazing. The artefacts have to be seen. Perfect place for a date.
Anyway, we then drove to the airport, checked her in, and kissed her goodbye.
Before she left, she said, with her eyes glistening with tears 'I know I won't see you again'. I simply said 'I had a lovely time, and you are an amazing woman'.
IceDragon
I met her at the airport, 20 minutes late, as I had slept in, she looked striking, slim, size 10, brunette, with blue eyes, my favourite, I greeted her with a hug, and I drove straight to the hotel I had booked.
I carried her bag for her, and I held the door open for her. Supplication? Some of you are probably thinking that. I can assure you, in the context and frame of things, it was the right to do.
I took her to the hotel, and then suggested she rest for a couple of hours, while I left, as I had things to do. I didn't even kiss her, but stayed for about 5 minutes, used the toilet, and left immediately, giving her a brief hug.
The purpose of this was to get her used to the fact that I had been in her hotel room, and didn't try anything with her.
So, I arrived back at the hotel two hours later, and she opened the door for me, looking sexy and relaxed . . . she had been sleeping!
She got ready, and we went to a Chinese restaurant called 'Cathay Cuisine', for a meal.
Yes, I'll admit it. I paid for the hotel, and I paid for the meal. Again, I am risking accusations of supplication, but I don't agree that it was supplication in this case. It all depends on the context, and the frame. She had spent time and money to fly up to Glasgow to come and see me, so I obviously had enough value in her eyes. To pay for the hotel and dinner was the decent and gentlemanly thing to do.
We were supposed to meet friends in Glasgow, however, we were in Cumbernauld (I left it too late, and all the Glagow hotels were fully booked, the only place I found was in Cumbernauld). So, we sat in the hotel room and watched TV for a bit, as it was too early to head out. I kino escalated, then took away.
This culminated in a kiss, and led to a deep, lingering kiss. Then I broke it off by saying that I was feeling really tired and needed to have a quick kip, and I went and lay on the bed. I said that she was free to join me, as we were going to have a late night, and getting sleep just now would be the sensible thing to do!
She followed suit, but switched the bedside lamp on, as I had switched off the main light. I then switched the tv off, as it was distracting me from sleeping, and a couple of minutes later, I switched the bedside lamp off.
There was a distance between us on the bed, so I mentioned that I was cold (an excuse to cuddle her!). Inevitably, we started kissing and caressing again. I then knew we wouldn't make it to the club that night. I texted my friends . . . and let them know.
She then stopped me . . . and said 'we have to stop', I said 'nothing is going to happen between us tonight, just kissing', then I continued kissing her, and nibbling on her neck, she gave me no resistance, but I could sense her breathing had changed. She switched the bedside lamp on again.
I undid her blouse, and unstrapped her bra to reveal two perked up, pink nipples and a pieced belly button. I proceeded to enjoy her breasts and nipples, then I took my own top off, so that she could feel my body against hers.
I then undid her belt and took off her jeans, and kissed her genitals without removing her panties. To my delight, she was wearing a sexy pair of stockings, and had perfectly pedicured toes . . .
I undressed and we kissed, and her breathing changed, and her face and neck flushed red . . . her tongue went on overdrive inside my mouth, and I knew this was the time to initiate sex.
I took the condom I had placed under the pillow earlier, and put it on, and I slowly penetrated her warm, tight pussy.
It was great, but 40 minutes later she stopped and said 'something's happened'.
I'm like 'what?!'. I withdrew, and she touched her groin . . . blood!!
I thought I had cut myself on her belly button piercing or something. Sounds stupid, but I don't recall exactly what I was thinking.
I was in a bit of a daze, she assured me, it's not you, I think I'm having my period . . . early!
This was the first time I had ever encountered this, and the condom was also covered in blood, as were my testicles!
I went to the bathroom intending to clean myself up, she stopped me and said 'I'm not in pain, lets finish it off'!
This was crazy, and I was in no mood to have sex. But, for some fucked up logic, I agreed, and proceeded to shag her again.
After we had finished, I went straight to the bathroom, and disposed of the condom, and jumped into the shower, and thoroughly cleaned myself. She watched me as I was doing it, constantly apologising.
She washed herself, and cleaned the blood from the sheets, using soap and cold water.
As we lay in bed, watching the Premiership highlights (Portsmouth v Aston Villa) she started crying and said 'I spoiled it for you'. I held her close, reassured her, and told her it wasn't her fault. I vaguely recall her saying 'I will be okay tomorrow'.
We fell asleep, and the next morning, I awoke to the sensation of her licking my balls!! We started fucking again, and she nearly bit my lower lip off, and it felt as if we were in a sauna, because we were both drenched in sweat - must have been the pent up emotion from the night before.
When I came, she wouldn't let me out, and she gazed deeply into my eyes and started saying something in Hungarian, I didn't know what she was saying, but it sounded very sexy!
When we finished, she looked down . . . more blood!!
Fucking hell, back to the bathroom, and we both jumped into the shower, while washing each other, she started singing in Hungarian!
I asked her what she was saying during sex. She told me she was saying 'I love your eyes, I love your lips, I don't know why it's happening so fast, I've never felt like this before'.
We came out, and she washed the sheets again, and we went down to breakfast.
I had two fortune cookies left in my pocket from the Chinese restaurant last night, and I opened the hot brunette waitress with one of them. I said 'tell me what your fortune is'.
She went away with our breakfast order, and came back and said to me 'your talents will be recognised'. That's what her fortune cookie said. From this we chatted about what her 'talents' were! She told me she was an artist.
However, I had temporarily forgotten that I was with this other girl, who was scowling at me from across the breakfast table. When the waitress left, she said 'why were you flirting with that girl when you're with me?'. It told her to relax and said that's the way we do things in Scotland, we're all really friendly to each other.
We had breakfast, and we went upstairs, and she got ready, and applied her makeup and wore smart clothes and Christian Dior sunglasses. What a stunner!
We checked out the hotel, bantered with the receptionist, and went to the petrol station.
We drove to the Burrell Collection, strolled there for a while, I bought her a book called 'the Burrell Collection'!, wrote a personal message for her on the inside cover, then we went for a bite to eat at Fazzi's, an Italian place in the city centre.
By the way, the Burrell Collection is amazing. The artefacts have to be seen. Perfect place for a date.
Anyway, we then drove to the airport, checked her in, and kissed her goodbye.
Before she left, she said, with her eyes glistening with tears 'I know I won't see you again'. I simply said 'I had a lovely time, and you are an amazing woman'.
IceDragon
How to talk to women
Not knowing what to say is a problem every guy has faced when approaching a woman. A tip for you. Instead of thinking of it as ‘approaching a woman’, reframe it in your own mind to starting a conversation.
Starting a conversation should be very natural.
The key here that good conversation is fun. Remember, conversation links people together, and it is the single most important factor in establishing human relations. So, why be so afraid to start a conversation?
In interactions with women you don’t know, you must take the lead. Most people feel inadequate in talking to others. However, you are different from most people. You are men who are empowered with the support of this community.
Conversation, in my opinion, is the art of self-expression. This is your opportunity to tell the world how you feel, let off steam and assert your individuality. Don’t give a damn about what response you may or may not get. Say what you feel, to whom you feel. You don’t need anyone’s permission to talk to them, because you do what you want, when you want.
Think of conversation as therapeutic, like gardening, fish-keeping, painting. It is an art which you will master, with practice, practice, practice and. . . . practice.
Do not worry too much about false openers, and routines. By all means, have a couple stashed away in your head, if you can’t think of anything else, but be observant when you meet a strange woman.
What is she holding? What kind of clothes is she wearing? What kind of mobile phone has she got? These questions can tell a lot about a woman.
Here is an example of what I did at a bookshop once. I was looking at some books, and this girl walked passed me, I said ‘stop’, she stopped and looked at me, then I said ‘you nearly got away there, and I would have lost my chance to talk to you’. She smiled and turned back. I asked her what she did, and then I stopped her before she answered and said ‘wait, let me guess – you’re a psychology student’. She said that I was right, and then asked me how I knew. She had a ‘psychology book in her bag’.
These observational conversation starters can be used in any environment.
With this particular girl, I got her phone number very easily.
IceDragon
Starting a conversation should be very natural.
The key here that good conversation is fun. Remember, conversation links people together, and it is the single most important factor in establishing human relations. So, why be so afraid to start a conversation?
In interactions with women you don’t know, you must take the lead. Most people feel inadequate in talking to others. However, you are different from most people. You are men who are empowered with the support of this community.
Conversation, in my opinion, is the art of self-expression. This is your opportunity to tell the world how you feel, let off steam and assert your individuality. Don’t give a damn about what response you may or may not get. Say what you feel, to whom you feel. You don’t need anyone’s permission to talk to them, because you do what you want, when you want.
Think of conversation as therapeutic, like gardening, fish-keeping, painting. It is an art which you will master, with practice, practice, practice and. . . . practice.
Do not worry too much about false openers, and routines. By all means, have a couple stashed away in your head, if you can’t think of anything else, but be observant when you meet a strange woman.
What is she holding? What kind of clothes is she wearing? What kind of mobile phone has she got? These questions can tell a lot about a woman.
Here is an example of what I did at a bookshop once. I was looking at some books, and this girl walked passed me, I said ‘stop’, she stopped and looked at me, then I said ‘you nearly got away there, and I would have lost my chance to talk to you’. She smiled and turned back. I asked her what she did, and then I stopped her before she answered and said ‘wait, let me guess – you’re a psychology student’. She said that I was right, and then asked me how I knew. She had a ‘psychology book in her bag’.
These observational conversation starters can be used in any environment.
With this particular girl, I got her phone number very easily.
IceDragon
Dinner Dates - Who should pay?
A lot of shit is talked in the seduction community about not buying girls drinks, flowers or taking them out for dinner. Period. Or, only taking them out for dinner after you've fucked them.
These extreme 'rules' were originally set in place for complete beginners who had no experience with women.
If guys paid for meals etc, that would lead to vulnerable men being taken advantage of, by a certain type of girl, and trying to 'buy acceptance' demonstrates lower value and women are not attracted to lower value men.
In essence, the reasoning behind not paying for dinner on dates is not to look supplicating or to look as if you're trying to win the girl over.
However, if you know you are the prize, and she knows that you are a secure, alpha male, then there is no harm in paying for the meal.
Whatever you do, if you do it from a position of strength, you will get away with anything.
Women want to be romanced and courted by a real man. A man who will protect them and provide for them and their children (at least that's the frame you should set - or attraction switch you should flick, for seduction geeks without necessarily fathering her children).
Be that real man.
If you can't afford to pay for the meal, don't take her out to a restaurant.
Expecting a woman to pay half is a turn off.
Don't risk looking like a cheap skate!
IceDragon
These extreme 'rules' were originally set in place for complete beginners who had no experience with women.
If guys paid for meals etc, that would lead to vulnerable men being taken advantage of, by a certain type of girl, and trying to 'buy acceptance' demonstrates lower value and women are not attracted to lower value men.
In essence, the reasoning behind not paying for dinner on dates is not to look supplicating or to look as if you're trying to win the girl over.
However, if you know you are the prize, and she knows that you are a secure, alpha male, then there is no harm in paying for the meal.
Whatever you do, if you do it from a position of strength, you will get away with anything.
Women want to be romanced and courted by a real man. A man who will protect them and provide for them and their children (at least that's the frame you should set - or attraction switch you should flick, for seduction geeks without necessarily fathering her children).
Be that real man.
If you can't afford to pay for the meal, don't take her out to a restaurant.
Expecting a woman to pay half is a turn off.
Don't risk looking like a cheap skate!
IceDragon
Arrogance
There are many guys out there who have achieved some understanding on the art of seduction, and, like a child with a new-found toy, they are naturally very excited about it, and like to show it off.
It is very easy to become arrogant and let your ego get out of control once you apply the powerful seduction techniques you have learned.
Once you get good at picking up women, you may feel a sense of power, maybe even cockiness and become overconfident in your abilities. It is vital not to fall into this trap, because you will ultimately do devastating harm to your inner game and destroy any realistic chance of reaching mastery. You will forever be stuck at the level you are, and remain a novice for the rest of your life.
Just because you have had some success, and fucked a few girls, doesn't give the right to deginerate other people.
Arrogance is a very ugly trait. It is very unattractive to quality women. It may appeal to sluts and party girls, but if you want to meet a woman of substance, you must rethink the personality you are projecting to the world, and work on developing your core identity.
Work on your inner game, and become a better person, and have all the success you want in life.
IceDragon
It is very easy to become arrogant and let your ego get out of control once you apply the powerful seduction techniques you have learned.
Once you get good at picking up women, you may feel a sense of power, maybe even cockiness and become overconfident in your abilities. It is vital not to fall into this trap, because you will ultimately do devastating harm to your inner game and destroy any realistic chance of reaching mastery. You will forever be stuck at the level you are, and remain a novice for the rest of your life.
Just because you have had some success, and fucked a few girls, doesn't give the right to deginerate other people.
Arrogance is a very ugly trait. It is very unattractive to quality women. It may appeal to sluts and party girls, but if you want to meet a woman of substance, you must rethink the personality you are projecting to the world, and work on developing your core identity.
Work on your inner game, and become a better person, and have all the success you want in life.
IceDragon
Technique to Guarantee a Phone-Number
On Tuesday, I went for a walk and decided to do approach some beautiful women.
I spoke to 6 girls, got a phone number from 5 of them.
Ok, I made it very easy for myself. I approached in the friendly, university area of Glasgow (full of hot, foreign student chicks), as opposed to the slightly difficult Glasgow City Centre, where people walk fast, look down, and go about their business, and this is what I did.
I walked, making eye-contact with everyone, and smiling.
Here is the important bit. I only opened the girls who smiled back.
The only girl I didn't close was one who didn't speak English, but I managed to close a hot Japanese girl called Fumi . . . *swoons* (called her today and left a message, she called me back, but I was on the phone to a friend, so didn't take the call)
Anyway, try this, make eye-contact, smile, open, then run your game as normal.
You will have no problems in getting the number, be very friendly, actually don't ask for the number, tell them to give it to you, and make it as natural as possible.
Have fun with this!
IceDragon
I spoke to 6 girls, got a phone number from 5 of them.
Ok, I made it very easy for myself. I approached in the friendly, university area of Glasgow (full of hot, foreign student chicks), as opposed to the slightly difficult Glasgow City Centre, where people walk fast, look down, and go about their business, and this is what I did.
I walked, making eye-contact with everyone, and smiling.
Here is the important bit. I only opened the girls who smiled back.
The only girl I didn't close was one who didn't speak English, but I managed to close a hot Japanese girl called Fumi . . . *swoons* (called her today and left a message, she called me back, but I was on the phone to a friend, so didn't take the call)
Anyway, try this, make eye-contact, smile, open, then run your game as normal.
You will have no problems in getting the number, be very friendly, actually don't ask for the number, tell them to give it to you, and make it as natural as possible.
Have fun with this!
IceDragon
IceDragon's Two Week Challenge
Balancing the game with your life means making the game an integral part of your day to day life, and co-existing with the various parts which make up the individual you, so that there is no transition. It's not necessary, as you're totally accepting and completely congruent with what and who you are.
I would strongly advise against being 'Saturday night gamers'. By that I mean, walking around with your head down during the week, and putting on your 'PUA' persona at the weekends. That is neither congruent or natural. No wonder why some guys have problems with gaming, and then wonder what went wrong.
I'm not advising guys to become social robots either, or obsessive game freaks.
What I'm going to suggest is totally different, and will make a big difference in your success rates, so that by the time the weekend comes, and it's time to go clubbing, you're all warmed up and ready to go, and you've already number-closed 10 girls that week (it will happen!), because gaming is not something different to what you usually do. However, what I’m going to suggest goes way beyond and much deeper than gaming.
TWO THINGS TO DO BEFORE GOING TO BED AT NIGHT
1/ Compile a things to do list of 10 things you want to do by the end of the following day (the sense of achievement the following night will astonish you)
2/ Read out 10 affirmations (you can think of 10 relevant to you)
TEN THINGS TO DO BEFORE LEAVING YOUR HOUSE IN THE MORNING
Ok, second step. Before you leave the house in the morning, each and every day, ensure you do the following 10 things.
1/ Shower & Shave
2/ Brush & floss
3/ Deodorant and Fragrance
4/ Choose your clothes carefully, and don't just throw anything on
5/ Have breakfast (VERY important)
6/ Diaphragmatic breathing exercises (this will focus your mind)
7/ Vocal projection exercises (if you don't know what these are, give one of the advanced guys on this lair a call, and they will go over some exercises over the phone)
8/ Read 10 affirmations aloud (you can think of some!)
9/ Stretch your body!
10/ Read over the list you made last night
Leave your house earlier than you usually would, because that would account for any delays en-route. Also, if you start your day in a calm, relaxing manner, the rest of your day will be fantastic, and that will spill onto the following day, and so forth.
Make a point of smiling and making eye contact at everyone you see. This is crucial! Not only at hbs, but everyone, ugs, guys, everyone.
Walk with an upright posture, and with your head up. Think of your favourite song, as you’re walking down the street. According to Anthony Robbins, your posture and demeanour sets your mood.
Talk to as many people as you can. Tell them jokes, funny stories, ask them how they are. Whatever you can think of. Try to talk to 10 strangers a day. That’s not a lot.
Do not deliberately try to find hbs to game. They will find you. I promise. I don't know how or where they will come from, but they will. They will be attracted to your energy and what you put out into the world. The vibes you give out will be totally different from any other guy they will meet.
If you do these things for two weeks, you will see an amazing difference. I’m saying two weeks for a reason, because this is the time it takes for any changes to take effect. Don’t ask me why, it’s just the way it is.
Naturally, as the weeks and months progress, your results will begin to snowball and accumulate, and you won’t be able to recognise what things were like before.
You will begin to attract nice things into your life (hbs, friends, success, happiness). Whatever you give out to the world, that’s what you attract.
Do this two week exercise and report back on the results!
IceDragon
I would strongly advise against being 'Saturday night gamers'. By that I mean, walking around with your head down during the week, and putting on your 'PUA' persona at the weekends. That is neither congruent or natural. No wonder why some guys have problems with gaming, and then wonder what went wrong.
I'm not advising guys to become social robots either, or obsessive game freaks.
What I'm going to suggest is totally different, and will make a big difference in your success rates, so that by the time the weekend comes, and it's time to go clubbing, you're all warmed up and ready to go, and you've already number-closed 10 girls that week (it will happen!), because gaming is not something different to what you usually do. However, what I’m going to suggest goes way beyond and much deeper than gaming.
TWO THINGS TO DO BEFORE GOING TO BED AT NIGHT
1/ Compile a things to do list of 10 things you want to do by the end of the following day (the sense of achievement the following night will astonish you)
2/ Read out 10 affirmations (you can think of 10 relevant to you)
TEN THINGS TO DO BEFORE LEAVING YOUR HOUSE IN THE MORNING
Ok, second step. Before you leave the house in the morning, each and every day, ensure you do the following 10 things.
1/ Shower & Shave
2/ Brush & floss
3/ Deodorant and Fragrance
4/ Choose your clothes carefully, and don't just throw anything on
5/ Have breakfast (VERY important)
6/ Diaphragmatic breathing exercises (this will focus your mind)
7/ Vocal projection exercises (if you don't know what these are, give one of the advanced guys on this lair a call, and they will go over some exercises over the phone)
8/ Read 10 affirmations aloud (you can think of some!)
9/ Stretch your body!
10/ Read over the list you made last night
Leave your house earlier than you usually would, because that would account for any delays en-route. Also, if you start your day in a calm, relaxing manner, the rest of your day will be fantastic, and that will spill onto the following day, and so forth.
Make a point of smiling and making eye contact at everyone you see. This is crucial! Not only at hbs, but everyone, ugs, guys, everyone.
Walk with an upright posture, and with your head up. Think of your favourite song, as you’re walking down the street. According to Anthony Robbins, your posture and demeanour sets your mood.
Talk to as many people as you can. Tell them jokes, funny stories, ask them how they are. Whatever you can think of. Try to talk to 10 strangers a day. That’s not a lot.
Do not deliberately try to find hbs to game. They will find you. I promise. I don't know how or where they will come from, but they will. They will be attracted to your energy and what you put out into the world. The vibes you give out will be totally different from any other guy they will meet.
If you do these things for two weeks, you will see an amazing difference. I’m saying two weeks for a reason, because this is the time it takes for any changes to take effect. Don’t ask me why, it’s just the way it is.
Naturally, as the weeks and months progress, your results will begin to snowball and accumulate, and you won’t be able to recognise what things were like before.
You will begin to attract nice things into your life (hbs, friends, success, happiness). Whatever you give out to the world, that’s what you attract.
Do this two week exercise and report back on the results!
IceDragon
We all know the basic theory, pre-selection is a powerful attraction switch. In the past, I have rammed this message through your heads over and over.
However, it is time to take pre-selection to a new leve. When gaming a girl, in set or one to one, mention one of these two things: 1/ You have a CURRENT girlfriend, 2/ You are CURRENTLY seeing other girls and insinuate that if she is with you, she will not be exclusive. Of course, if she proves herself in due course, she may become exclusive.
Girls will be more eager to give you their numbers, and will actually push you for a day 2, creating less work for you.
WOMEN WANT WHAT THEY CAN'T HAVE.
It's all very well saying that you previously dated a hot girl, and now have a vacancy for another girl in your life, but mention that you are CURRENTLY attached as opposed to PREVIOUSLY having dated a hot stripper from Las Vegas, and the IOIs will come flying. I know that most of you guys are good enough to get IOIs without saying this, and get the phone number and date easily, but if you take this advice, you will get what you want faster, and with less effort. Isn't this what we want? To refine and sharpen our game?
I actually experimented one step further, and told a girl about the community, and shared some techniques. She doesn't stop phoning me . . . I then told her `it's not easy to get a meeting with a guy like me' . . . she said `I'm sure you can find some time, as I would be so lucky', I then said `Actually, I would be the lucky one to spend time with a woman like you' . . . (emotional push pull), then she said in a stunned voice, `really? do you still have the photo you took of me in November Café, I've still got yours'. I then said `yeah, I put it on Crimewatch'. Even though I had told her about Push Pull, she still fell for it!
I don't recommend you go as far as this, telling a girl about the community, as it was purely experimental, but you get the picture.
It sticks a middle finger up at social conditioning, but IT WORKS. Women want what they can't have. I thought that I knew this, and I did use it to an extent, but not to the powerful extent that could have. I have discovered this in the past couple of weeks. Sure, I thought I knew this months ago, but ONLY NOW I have truly understood it, right to my very core, after I applied this. And the results have been staggering.
Of course, you need to use the basic techniques, congruency, body language and standard game as a foundation, all I'm saying is, throw in this nuclear bomb, and see the results for yourself. I really want all you guys to experience what I've experienced. It's scary to find out that girls really are sexual predators.
IceDragon
However, it is time to take pre-selection to a new leve. When gaming a girl, in set or one to one, mention one of these two things: 1/ You have a CURRENT girlfriend, 2/ You are CURRENTLY seeing other girls and insinuate that if she is with you, she will not be exclusive. Of course, if she proves herself in due course, she may become exclusive.
Girls will be more eager to give you their numbers, and will actually push you for a day 2, creating less work for you.
WOMEN WANT WHAT THEY CAN'T HAVE.
It's all very well saying that you previously dated a hot girl, and now have a vacancy for another girl in your life, but mention that you are CURRENTLY attached as opposed to PREVIOUSLY having dated a hot stripper from Las Vegas, and the IOIs will come flying. I know that most of you guys are good enough to get IOIs without saying this, and get the phone number and date easily, but if you take this advice, you will get what you want faster, and with less effort. Isn't this what we want? To refine and sharpen our game?
I actually experimented one step further, and told a girl about the community, and shared some techniques. She doesn't stop phoning me . . . I then told her `it's not easy to get a meeting with a guy like me' . . . she said `I'm sure you can find some time, as I would be so lucky', I then said `Actually, I would be the lucky one to spend time with a woman like you' . . . (emotional push pull), then she said in a stunned voice, `really? do you still have the photo you took of me in November Café, I've still got yours'. I then said `yeah, I put it on Crimewatch'. Even though I had told her about Push Pull, she still fell for it!
I don't recommend you go as far as this, telling a girl about the community, as it was purely experimental, but you get the picture.
It sticks a middle finger up at social conditioning, but IT WORKS. Women want what they can't have. I thought that I knew this, and I did use it to an extent, but not to the powerful extent that could have. I have discovered this in the past couple of weeks. Sure, I thought I knew this months ago, but ONLY NOW I have truly understood it, right to my very core, after I applied this. And the results have been staggering.
Of course, you need to use the basic techniques, congruency, body language and standard game as a foundation, all I'm saying is, throw in this nuclear bomb, and see the results for yourself. I really want all you guys to experience what I've experienced. It's scary to find out that girls really are sexual predators.
IceDragon
Non-Verbal Communication
Inter-human communication can be divided into two clear levels, verbal and non-verbal. Although verbal communication is widely acknowledged, and there is much more awareness of it, non-verbal is often referred to as the true, base level of communications. Our primitive ancestors used this system long before complex languages had developed, even long before mankind started grunting and groaning. Non verbal communication reveals the true feelings of a person, because this system of communication is ingrained into the human psyche, through millions of years of evolution.
Modern man uses non-verbal communication as an alternative, or an accompaniment to the spoken word. Sometimes an expression can say much more than a word can. For example, a child who has stolen sweets or damaged the family car will have a guilty look on his face. Constant fidgeting, touching the face, looking down or across the room, not maintaining eye contact with the parent. The look can somewhat resemble that of a puppy who has just created a puddle. When someone is frightened, his facial muscles, especially around the mouth tend to pull back. Now, if you take the smile, which is a universally recognised expression of friendliness, you will notice that it is similar to the ‘fear’ reaction. When a person smiles, he makes the other person feel at ease, because sub-consciously, he realises that if the person is afraid, therefore he cannot be a threat. The smile is widely used in the courting ritual. We share this trait with many great apes, especially our closest relative, the chimpanzee. Incidentally, the genetic difference in dna between humans and chimpanzees is approximately 1%.
Different facial components signify different responses, for example, if someone has their jaw thrust forward, they could be self-confident, arrogant, extremely alert or at ease. An angry person can be distinguished by the way he stares, the colour of his cheeks, and a clenched jaw. Facial muscles tightly drawn, and grinding teeth may signify the person is nervous or stressed.
Apart from facial expressions, the hands can also tell a great deal about the person. If a person is hunched, or walks with a stoop, despite him having to spinal deficiencies, he is deemed to be a reclusive, anti-social person. He may have a troubled life, and this can show onto the way he walks or carries himself. The subconscious recognises this, and creates a vicious circle, where his body language becomes more and more pathetic. If a person has all his limbs uncrossed, and his hands visible and palms open, this can show that the person is sincere. These actions can be faked by politicians, to appear more friendly and trustworthy to the electorate. In saying that, although the body actions can be faked to an extent, they facial expressions will always give the game away, stressed, furrowed brows, a grimaced mouth, squinted eyes can reveal that all may not be as it seems within the person.
Crossing the arms in front of oneself may signify that the person is not sure of himself, or feels vulnerable and defensive. Therefore the crossed arms are protecting the sensitive internal organs, heart, spleen, liver, lungs etc. It is possible that man may have had this response programmed, somehow this natural protective action survived as a gene, through millions of years. Now, contrast this with a school-teacher, a powerful baron, or a factory manager. He will walk about his domain with his hands crossed behind his back, head up, chest out, shoulders back and spine arched straight. This is a signal of authority and power, that he has nothing to fear from anyone, and does not feel threatened. Compare the two types of opposing Non Verbal Communication.
Non Verbal Communication can be divided into three main areas, which are Kinesics, Proxemics and Para-Linguistics. Kinesics involve facial expressions such as smiles, frowns, narrowed eyes, transmitting anger, frustration, friendliness, disbelief, etc. Gestures such as pointing towards someone, giving a thumbs up sign, shaking the head, etc. Movements, including pacing up and down a room, finger-drumming as to indicate boredom, transmitting impatience or relaxation.
Proxemics include physical contact, shaking hands with someone, prodding someone with a finger in a provocative way, clapping someone on the back as if to congratulate, transmitting greetings, insistence or friendship. Positioning also comes under this category, keeping a respectful distance, for example, if walking down a quiet street and a woman is walking the same direction, it would be wise for the man to walk across the other side of the road, so that the woman doesn’t feel threatened. Also posture, standing straight and erect, lounging, sitting hunched up, leaning forward, spread across a chair, transmitting alertness and care, self-confidence, nervousness or ease.
Para-Linguistics are feedback sounds of surprise, agreement, annoyance or impatience. ‘Uh uh, whew!, oops!, tsk, tut tut, etc.
Human relations skills and effective working requires a finely tuned awareness of Non-verbal communication. It can help a person to quickly read a situation and to prevent problems from occurring. Nightclub stewards for example need to understand the intricacies of NVC as the safety of the clients depends on their intuition. For example, if a steward is confronted by a person who shows arrogance at the door, sneering, and staring at other people in the crowd, there is a very high chance that the person is looking for violence, and once he has consumed alcohol in the club, it is very likely he will hurt someone. If the steward is alert, he will recognise the signs and not let the person in. If the steward is highly experienced, he will use NVC of his own to send a subconscious signal to the aggressor to back away. He will look into his eyes, and try not to show any outward signs of adrenaline or emotional excess, which can be misinterpreted as fear. This shows that the ability to read body language and NVC can save lives, prevent conflict and ensure success when dealing with other people.
Non-verbal communication is a vital aspect of society and should be studied and observed as the benefits to one’s personal life and career can be immense. Learning to liase with colleagues at work, reading a spouse’s mood can prevent family trouble and arguments. Also, if you discipline your kids, but your body actions are not in synchronisation with your words, the child may feel as if you are hesitant or unsure, and may become unruly. If on the other hand, you can adopt a strong body pose and send powerful signals, the child will know that you are serious, and will obey your instructions, therefore becoming a well-rounded and happy person. If you ever have the misfortune to enter into a potentially violent situation in the street or in the pub, you may have the skills to diffuse the situation, before it escalates into physical violence, which can cause serious injury or even death.
Relating to pickup, non-verbal communication is essential, as the first impressions are made non verbally. If you see a woman you like in a bar for instance, it is important to first make eye contact, then smile to show you’re not a threat, then, by using an open, and confident posture, you display your body from different angles, so that your potential mate can size you up. Many psychologists say that when entering a room where a party is held, it is advisable to stand at the doorway for four seconds before entering, so that all the potential mates can check you out, and vice versa.
Non-verbal communication is the lifeblood and essence of mankind. As it was invented long before spoken language, it is worthwhile looking into it in a deeper way, so that the quality of life, and our relationships with our fellow man can be enriched and enhanced.
IceDragon
Modern man uses non-verbal communication as an alternative, or an accompaniment to the spoken word. Sometimes an expression can say much more than a word can. For example, a child who has stolen sweets or damaged the family car will have a guilty look on his face. Constant fidgeting, touching the face, looking down or across the room, not maintaining eye contact with the parent. The look can somewhat resemble that of a puppy who has just created a puddle. When someone is frightened, his facial muscles, especially around the mouth tend to pull back. Now, if you take the smile, which is a universally recognised expression of friendliness, you will notice that it is similar to the ‘fear’ reaction. When a person smiles, he makes the other person feel at ease, because sub-consciously, he realises that if the person is afraid, therefore he cannot be a threat. The smile is widely used in the courting ritual. We share this trait with many great apes, especially our closest relative, the chimpanzee. Incidentally, the genetic difference in dna between humans and chimpanzees is approximately 1%.
Different facial components signify different responses, for example, if someone has their jaw thrust forward, they could be self-confident, arrogant, extremely alert or at ease. An angry person can be distinguished by the way he stares, the colour of his cheeks, and a clenched jaw. Facial muscles tightly drawn, and grinding teeth may signify the person is nervous or stressed.
Apart from facial expressions, the hands can also tell a great deal about the person. If a person is hunched, or walks with a stoop, despite him having to spinal deficiencies, he is deemed to be a reclusive, anti-social person. He may have a troubled life, and this can show onto the way he walks or carries himself. The subconscious recognises this, and creates a vicious circle, where his body language becomes more and more pathetic. If a person has all his limbs uncrossed, and his hands visible and palms open, this can show that the person is sincere. These actions can be faked by politicians, to appear more friendly and trustworthy to the electorate. In saying that, although the body actions can be faked to an extent, they facial expressions will always give the game away, stressed, furrowed brows, a grimaced mouth, squinted eyes can reveal that all may not be as it seems within the person.
Crossing the arms in front of oneself may signify that the person is not sure of himself, or feels vulnerable and defensive. Therefore the crossed arms are protecting the sensitive internal organs, heart, spleen, liver, lungs etc. It is possible that man may have had this response programmed, somehow this natural protective action survived as a gene, through millions of years. Now, contrast this with a school-teacher, a powerful baron, or a factory manager. He will walk about his domain with his hands crossed behind his back, head up, chest out, shoulders back and spine arched straight. This is a signal of authority and power, that he has nothing to fear from anyone, and does not feel threatened. Compare the two types of opposing Non Verbal Communication.
Non Verbal Communication can be divided into three main areas, which are Kinesics, Proxemics and Para-Linguistics. Kinesics involve facial expressions such as smiles, frowns, narrowed eyes, transmitting anger, frustration, friendliness, disbelief, etc. Gestures such as pointing towards someone, giving a thumbs up sign, shaking the head, etc. Movements, including pacing up and down a room, finger-drumming as to indicate boredom, transmitting impatience or relaxation.
Proxemics include physical contact, shaking hands with someone, prodding someone with a finger in a provocative way, clapping someone on the back as if to congratulate, transmitting greetings, insistence or friendship. Positioning also comes under this category, keeping a respectful distance, for example, if walking down a quiet street and a woman is walking the same direction, it would be wise for the man to walk across the other side of the road, so that the woman doesn’t feel threatened. Also posture, standing straight and erect, lounging, sitting hunched up, leaning forward, spread across a chair, transmitting alertness and care, self-confidence, nervousness or ease.
Para-Linguistics are feedback sounds of surprise, agreement, annoyance or impatience. ‘Uh uh, whew!, oops!, tsk, tut tut, etc.
Human relations skills and effective working requires a finely tuned awareness of Non-verbal communication. It can help a person to quickly read a situation and to prevent problems from occurring. Nightclub stewards for example need to understand the intricacies of NVC as the safety of the clients depends on their intuition. For example, if a steward is confronted by a person who shows arrogance at the door, sneering, and staring at other people in the crowd, there is a very high chance that the person is looking for violence, and once he has consumed alcohol in the club, it is very likely he will hurt someone. If the steward is alert, he will recognise the signs and not let the person in. If the steward is highly experienced, he will use NVC of his own to send a subconscious signal to the aggressor to back away. He will look into his eyes, and try not to show any outward signs of adrenaline or emotional excess, which can be misinterpreted as fear. This shows that the ability to read body language and NVC can save lives, prevent conflict and ensure success when dealing with other people.
Non-verbal communication is a vital aspect of society and should be studied and observed as the benefits to one’s personal life and career can be immense. Learning to liase with colleagues at work, reading a spouse’s mood can prevent family trouble and arguments. Also, if you discipline your kids, but your body actions are not in synchronisation with your words, the child may feel as if you are hesitant or unsure, and may become unruly. If on the other hand, you can adopt a strong body pose and send powerful signals, the child will know that you are serious, and will obey your instructions, therefore becoming a well-rounded and happy person. If you ever have the misfortune to enter into a potentially violent situation in the street or in the pub, you may have the skills to diffuse the situation, before it escalates into physical violence, which can cause serious injury or even death.
Relating to pickup, non-verbal communication is essential, as the first impressions are made non verbally. If you see a woman you like in a bar for instance, it is important to first make eye contact, then smile to show you’re not a threat, then, by using an open, and confident posture, you display your body from different angles, so that your potential mate can size you up. Many psychologists say that when entering a room where a party is held, it is advisable to stand at the doorway for four seconds before entering, so that all the potential mates can check you out, and vice versa.
Non-verbal communication is the lifeblood and essence of mankind. As it was invented long before spoken language, it is worthwhile looking into it in a deeper way, so that the quality of life, and our relationships with our fellow man can be enriched and enhanced.
IceDragon
Logical Apes?
The human being tends to think of himself as a rational, logical entity.
That is not so. A humans is the most emotional creature there is. Man lets his subconscious rule his conscious mind, after all, 90% of the decisions are made by the subconscious mind.
Think about it. People fall in love with people who are totally different from them. While the conscious mind would say 'hey, what are you doing here?', the subconscious is way more powerful. A guy I know fell madly in love with an ageing, chain smoking single mother. He just couldn't explain it. The same with phobias. Why do some people recoil in fear of spiders? Logically, the little critters can't harm us, everyone knows that. But, the subconscious says 'keep away, it'll do bad things to you.
Beliefs, religions are not logical. Think of cults, David Koresh, the Moonies and Kabbala. Irrational belief is required. If the cult requires suicide, bet you the followers would do it.
What is the biggest financial decision a person will ever make? Buying a home. Is it made on logic? Wrong! It's always an emotional decision. I was watching this home makeover program on tv, this couple were trying to sell a house in a certain area, and despite being on the market for 8 months, it didn't sell, even though other houses in the same are sold like hotcakes. The problem was that the interior was too garish, and the house was cluttered. The makeover team came in and re-painted the walls, re-carpeted using neutral colours, and de-cluttered the house.
Instead of selling the house for $155,000, it sold for $175,000 , even though only $2,500 was spent on furnishing it!!!
If the buyers had thought logically, they would have thought 'This house has been on the market for 8 months, the sellers will be desperate. I'll offer $145,000, re-decorate it the way I want rather that the way the make-over team wants. The value will go up by $30,000!!!! I can take all the clutter and hold a garage sale, making even more profit.'
But, people are emotional creatures.
So, if the biggest financial decision of a person's life is based on emotions, what chance do all the other, smaller decisions have???
How does this relate to seduction? Well, it further reinforces the line of thought that attraction is not a choice, and women can be successfully seduced EVERY TIME if the seduction artists can dictate and direct their emotions. Like everything else in life, seduction is not logical! It is whatever we make the woman believe it is.
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That is not so. A humans is the most emotional creature there is. Man lets his subconscious rule his conscious mind, after all, 90% of the decisions are made by the subconscious mind.
Think about it. People fall in love with people who are totally different from them. While the conscious mind would say 'hey, what are you doing here?', the subconscious is way more powerful. A guy I know fell madly in love with an ageing, chain smoking single mother. He just couldn't explain it. The same with phobias. Why do some people recoil in fear of spiders? Logically, the little critters can't harm us, everyone knows that. But, the subconscious says 'keep away, it'll do bad things to you.
Beliefs, religions are not logical. Think of cults, David Koresh, the Moonies and Kabbala. Irrational belief is required. If the cult requires suicide, bet you the followers would do it.
What is the biggest financial decision a person will ever make? Buying a home. Is it made on logic? Wrong! It's always an emotional decision. I was watching this home makeover program on tv, this couple were trying to sell a house in a certain area, and despite being on the market for 8 months, it didn't sell, even though other houses in the same are sold like hotcakes. The problem was that the interior was too garish, and the house was cluttered. The makeover team came in and re-painted the walls, re-carpeted using neutral colours, and de-cluttered the house.
Instead of selling the house for $155,000, it sold for $175,000 , even though only $2,500 was spent on furnishing it!!!
If the buyers had thought logically, they would have thought 'This house has been on the market for 8 months, the sellers will be desperate. I'll offer $145,000, re-decorate it the way I want rather that the way the make-over team wants. The value will go up by $30,000!!!! I can take all the clutter and hold a garage sale, making even more profit.'
But, people are emotional creatures.
So, if the biggest financial decision of a person's life is based on emotions, what chance do all the other, smaller decisions have???
How does this relate to seduction? Well, it further reinforces the line of thought that attraction is not a choice, and women can be successfully seduced EVERY TIME if the seduction artists can dictate and direct their emotions. Like everything else in life, seduction is not logical! It is whatever we make the woman believe it is.
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Techniques for contacting Women After a While
I had arranged a meeting with this blonde woman a while back, and she cancelled me a day before we were due to meet, saying she had to go down to Leeds for business purposes, and would be in touch when she got back.
She never did.
I was flicking through my phonebook, whilst driving to Denver about a week ago, and came across her number, and decided to give her a call.
Ice: Hey Sue
HB: Who's this?
Ice: You're a bad girl, you deleted my number! Guess who it is?
HB: I don't know, you're not my accountant, you're not my lawyer . . .
Ice: haha! No, I'm sexier than either of those
HB: OMG! Ice??!!
Ice: Yeah, it's me, how have you been?
HB: Sorry I didn't get in touch . . .
Ice: *cutting her off* It's cool. You were busy, I understand
HB: Thanks, what are you up to?
Ice: Just driving around, what about you?
HB: I'm at home, in Denver
Ice: Denver? I didn't know you lived there, guess where I am? Denver!
HB: Really? Well, you can't come round tonight, I'm in my pyjamas and look a mess . . .
Ice: I wasn't going to. Which part of Denver are you in?
HB: Westfield, what are you doing here?
Ice: Just here for some business.
HB: Next time, give me a bit more notice, and you can come round for a drink (WTF?!!).
Ice: Cool, I've just reached my destination, I'll catch you later.
I also called this other HB, who *had* a boyfriend. The first thing she said to me when I called her "I have split up from my boyfriend". I simply said "cool, so are you still a bad girl?". I did not attempt to set up a day 2, where most guys would have jumped at what she said and pushed for a meet. Maybe the next time I call, or even the following call.
I intend to keep in phone contact with both these girls for a while, and keep them waiting before setting up any kind of meet-up.
Guys, it just shows what you can achieve by not giving up, and phoning up a flakey girl again, weeks, maybe even months after she flakes on you.
It's just a matter of re-establishing why she was attracted to you in the first place, and creating comfort and rapport.
Go and call all the girls in your phonebook, and have a chat with them, without worrying about the outcome!
IceDragon
She never did.
I was flicking through my phonebook, whilst driving to Denver about a week ago, and came across her number, and decided to give her a call.
Ice: Hey Sue
HB: Who's this?
Ice: You're a bad girl, you deleted my number! Guess who it is?
HB: I don't know, you're not my accountant, you're not my lawyer . . .
Ice: haha! No, I'm sexier than either of those
HB: OMG! Ice??!!
Ice: Yeah, it's me, how have you been?
HB: Sorry I didn't get in touch . . .
Ice: *cutting her off* It's cool. You were busy, I understand
HB: Thanks, what are you up to?
Ice: Just driving around, what about you?
HB: I'm at home, in Denver
Ice: Denver? I didn't know you lived there, guess where I am? Denver!
HB: Really? Well, you can't come round tonight, I'm in my pyjamas and look a mess . . .
Ice: I wasn't going to. Which part of Denver are you in?
HB: Westfield, what are you doing here?
Ice: Just here for some business.
HB: Next time, give me a bit more notice, and you can come round for a drink (WTF?!!).
Ice: Cool, I've just reached my destination, I'll catch you later.
I also called this other HB, who *had* a boyfriend. The first thing she said to me when I called her "I have split up from my boyfriend". I simply said "cool, so are you still a bad girl?". I did not attempt to set up a day 2, where most guys would have jumped at what she said and pushed for a meet. Maybe the next time I call, or even the following call.
I intend to keep in phone contact with both these girls for a while, and keep them waiting before setting up any kind of meet-up.
Guys, it just shows what you can achieve by not giving up, and phoning up a flakey girl again, weeks, maybe even months after she flakes on you.
It's just a matter of re-establishing why she was attracted to you in the first place, and creating comfort and rapport.
Go and call all the girls in your phonebook, and have a chat with them, without worrying about the outcome!
IceDragon
Make Approaching Women Easier
Guys, do yourselves a big favour, and start doing things DIFFERENTLY. Don't just think of going on the game only when you're sarging, but make it part of your LIFESTYLE!
The power of a well-timed (sincere looking) smile is LETHAL!
As you're walking down the street, smile at as many people as you possibly can, I don't give a fuck if they're hbs, ugs, men, kids, grannies, transvestites, homosexuals, JUST SMILE. If possible, also say hi.
See, society has conditioned people not to smile at strangers, just walk on by with a straight, emotionless expression. If you practice smiling at strangers EVERY DAY and in EVERY SITUATION, approaching sets will be TEN TIMES more effective. I've seen AFCs approach girls with a solemn expression, and wonder why the hell they were blown out.
If you do it properly in the street, you will get girls smiling back, looking intrigued and even approaching YOU. Take my word for it. It's happened to me.
I walked into the library, made eyecontact with a couple of hbs, smiled broadly and said 'hi' (No, I don't care whether I knew them or not, and I don't care if they respond or not, I'm working on MY inner game).
So, I sat down on the computer and started working. I was leaning back, as if I was sitting down to watch a football game! I heard this voice say 'excuse me'. I stayed where I was, but just slowly turned my head and said 'yeah'.
It was a hb9. Asian, stunning figure, gorgeous face, long black hair. Her perfect breasts were bursting through her red t-shirt.
She said 'I was wondering if you can help me, I'm struggling with my work'.
Ok, I never met this girl in my life, and I don't look like a teacher! I said 'sure, what u struggling with?'
We started talking and flirting. She asked my name, and where stayed. Then she asked my age. I said 'I feel really old'. She said 'noooo!! you look so young!'.
I then said to her 'lets work together'. She got excited and took her phone out! She said 'we should exchange numbers'.
I took her number, gave her mine, then told her to go and do her work as she was keeping me back from mine!
I believe that any and every situation is there for us to take control of.
IceDragon
The power of a well-timed (sincere looking) smile is LETHAL!
As you're walking down the street, smile at as many people as you possibly can, I don't give a fuck if they're hbs, ugs, men, kids, grannies, transvestites, homosexuals, JUST SMILE. If possible, also say hi.
See, society has conditioned people not to smile at strangers, just walk on by with a straight, emotionless expression. If you practice smiling at strangers EVERY DAY and in EVERY SITUATION, approaching sets will be TEN TIMES more effective. I've seen AFCs approach girls with a solemn expression, and wonder why the hell they were blown out.
If you do it properly in the street, you will get girls smiling back, looking intrigued and even approaching YOU. Take my word for it. It's happened to me.
I walked into the library, made eyecontact with a couple of hbs, smiled broadly and said 'hi' (No, I don't care whether I knew them or not, and I don't care if they respond or not, I'm working on MY inner game).
So, I sat down on the computer and started working. I was leaning back, as if I was sitting down to watch a football game! I heard this voice say 'excuse me'. I stayed where I was, but just slowly turned my head and said 'yeah'.
It was a hb9. Asian, stunning figure, gorgeous face, long black hair. Her perfect breasts were bursting through her red t-shirt.
She said 'I was wondering if you can help me, I'm struggling with my work'.
Ok, I never met this girl in my life, and I don't look like a teacher! I said 'sure, what u struggling with?'
We started talking and flirting. She asked my name, and where stayed. Then she asked my age. I said 'I feel really old'. She said 'noooo!! you look so young!'.
I then said to her 'lets work together'. She got excited and took her phone out! She said 'we should exchange numbers'.
I took her number, gave her mine, then told her to go and do her work as she was keeping me back from mine!
I believe that any and every situation is there for us to take control of.
IceDragon
Foundations for Success with Women
We are all on this forum to learn one thing. How to improve our chances of starting and sustaining a sexual relationship with a woman.
Every guy on this forum has the inherent ability to attract a woman. You do not need complicated structures, techniques, and routines in order to do that. Each and every one of our forefathers was successful in getting laid. There is no doubt about that. Somewhere along the line, things got mixed up, and men forgot that they were natural seducers, it’s what they do best, like hunting, fighting, drinking, etc. and the woman became the prize. The man is the true prize, and if anyone tells you otherwise, it is going against nature.
Social conditioning tells us not to approach a woman. When we see a beautiful woman, something inside us says that it is not acceptable to society.
The first step you have to take is to tell your inner voice to shut up, and replace it with a new affirmation. Approach her. I don’t care if you use an indirect opinion opener, direct opener, say hello, ask her the time, anything.
This is the first hurdle you must overcome. You must overcome your inner fears and forget about the outcome. Get out of your own head, and face the reality that if you do not approach that girl, she will move on, and some other guy will approach her and start a sexual relationship with her, and have lots of cute little children who will call him daddy.
The relationship, which should have been yours.
What if your great, great, great grandfather had not approached your great, great, great grandmother? You would not be here, listening to me telling you to approach the woman you desire. I want your great, great, great grandson to enjoy the company and pleasure of beautiful women. You have to make it happen. Live forever, pass on your genes.
Ok, enough about approaching. It’s blatantly obvious that if you don’t approach, you might as well go on the Internet and find a Russian bride who will divorce you as soon as she gets a visa.
Mentally, it is far easier to approach a woman, if you have the lifestyle, which a woman will want to be part of.
Cultivate your passions in life. Choose an interest, which involves investing in you. Out with your working life, you should have something which you enjoy doing, be it playing a sport, collecting rare items, etc.
Take a look at your own life, and list your achievements. There is an amazing Confidence Building Exercise by Rahul (Superstar Actor) on the LSS, which I recommend you try out. This involves listing 25 achievements, no matter how small you think they are.
Have lots of female friends in your phonebook. This will help you understand female psychology, and will ultimately help you meet the woman of your dreams.
Accept your weaknesses, and build on your strengths. Each and every single one of us in this room knows what his weakness is, and the chances are, he hides them and feels ashamed. Do not do this. If you are open and come out of the closet about your insecurities, and show the world that you are not bothered by them. Other people will accept you too. Respect yourself and demand respect from others. If they don’t, cut them out of your life. Only keep friends who respect you. This also applies to women. No matter how hot she is, if she doesn’t respect you, this will do you long-term damage, and the number one person in your life is you.
Think about your future. Choose your career wisely and invest in it, if you don’t have one, work towards it. Women are attracted to a successful male who can provide for her and her children. If you are unemployed, on benefits, and live for the weekend, what can you do for your family? I know it’s fashionable to say that you can still get laid if you have ‘game’, but I want you guys to experience long-term success. If you are in a job you don’t like, leave it and get the necessary qualifications you need to find the job of your dreams. Don’t let anyone tell you that you ‘can’t do something’.
I consistently get from women is ‘you know where you want to be in life, and how you’re going to get there’. It’s how you frame yourself and present yourself is what counts.
I could easily say ‘um, I don’t really do anything; I’m an undergraduate at the age of 27’. This is not disqualification, but is plain stupid. Instead, I relate the story of how I got into Law School, and this is a much better reframe.
Stay in shape. Eat healthily, keep junk food to a minimum, and keep your cardiovascular system in great shape. Wear nice clothes, stay clean.
IceDragon
Every guy on this forum has the inherent ability to attract a woman. You do not need complicated structures, techniques, and routines in order to do that. Each and every one of our forefathers was successful in getting laid. There is no doubt about that. Somewhere along the line, things got mixed up, and men forgot that they were natural seducers, it’s what they do best, like hunting, fighting, drinking, etc. and the woman became the prize. The man is the true prize, and if anyone tells you otherwise, it is going against nature.
Social conditioning tells us not to approach a woman. When we see a beautiful woman, something inside us says that it is not acceptable to society.
The first step you have to take is to tell your inner voice to shut up, and replace it with a new affirmation. Approach her. I don’t care if you use an indirect opinion opener, direct opener, say hello, ask her the time, anything.
This is the first hurdle you must overcome. You must overcome your inner fears and forget about the outcome. Get out of your own head, and face the reality that if you do not approach that girl, she will move on, and some other guy will approach her and start a sexual relationship with her, and have lots of cute little children who will call him daddy.
The relationship, which should have been yours.
What if your great, great, great grandfather had not approached your great, great, great grandmother? You would not be here, listening to me telling you to approach the woman you desire. I want your great, great, great grandson to enjoy the company and pleasure of beautiful women. You have to make it happen. Live forever, pass on your genes.
Ok, enough about approaching. It’s blatantly obvious that if you don’t approach, you might as well go on the Internet and find a Russian bride who will divorce you as soon as she gets a visa.
Mentally, it is far easier to approach a woman, if you have the lifestyle, which a woman will want to be part of.
Cultivate your passions in life. Choose an interest, which involves investing in you. Out with your working life, you should have something which you enjoy doing, be it playing a sport, collecting rare items, etc.
Take a look at your own life, and list your achievements. There is an amazing Confidence Building Exercise by Rahul (Superstar Actor) on the LSS, which I recommend you try out. This involves listing 25 achievements, no matter how small you think they are.
Have lots of female friends in your phonebook. This will help you understand female psychology, and will ultimately help you meet the woman of your dreams.
Accept your weaknesses, and build on your strengths. Each and every single one of us in this room knows what his weakness is, and the chances are, he hides them and feels ashamed. Do not do this. If you are open and come out of the closet about your insecurities, and show the world that you are not bothered by them. Other people will accept you too. Respect yourself and demand respect from others. If they don’t, cut them out of your life. Only keep friends who respect you. This also applies to women. No matter how hot she is, if she doesn’t respect you, this will do you long-term damage, and the number one person in your life is you.
Think about your future. Choose your career wisely and invest in it, if you don’t have one, work towards it. Women are attracted to a successful male who can provide for her and her children. If you are unemployed, on benefits, and live for the weekend, what can you do for your family? I know it’s fashionable to say that you can still get laid if you have ‘game’, but I want you guys to experience long-term success. If you are in a job you don’t like, leave it and get the necessary qualifications you need to find the job of your dreams. Don’t let anyone tell you that you ‘can’t do something’.
I consistently get from women is ‘you know where you want to be in life, and how you’re going to get there’. It’s how you frame yourself and present yourself is what counts.
I could easily say ‘um, I don’t really do anything; I’m an undergraduate at the age of 27’. This is not disqualification, but is plain stupid. Instead, I relate the story of how I got into Law School, and this is a much better reframe.
Stay in shape. Eat healthily, keep junk food to a minimum, and keep your cardiovascular system in great shape. Wear nice clothes, stay clean.
IceDragon
The Art of Talking Dirty in Bed
Talking dirty to a girl while you are fucking her is a powerful tool to play havoc with and arouse her mind and emotions. Where the mind goes, the body will follow. Use the advice which I will give you now, and just watch her body shudder and shake . . . time and time again, and she will be putty in your hands.
First of all, you should be aware of what type of woman your partner is. Is she a working class girl, used to foul language, f this and f that? Or is she a classier girl, professional, intelligent, educated and a 'good girl'?
However, this perception can be deceptive, and can reveal very little about your woman's character in the bedroom. I have slept with many women who were sugar and spice, and all things nice outside, but transformed into she-cats, swearing and begging me to 'fuck them from behind', and telling me to 'fuck off', and 'I'm your little whore' once between the sheets. I have also slept with independent, feisty women, who, beneath the tough exterior, had to be treated gently, like barbie dolls, and were as placid as labradors, once I got them to bed.
Does your girl like gentle, tender lovemaking, or rough, fast, furious animal-style fucking? This can give you clues on how dirty you can talk to your girl.
Keep in mind that you don't want to affect your relationship outside the bedroom, so don't go around telling your mates what you did with your girl last night. It will come back to you, and it is disrespectful to your girl. While you're in bed, talking dirty - remember it is just a fantasy. She is not really a 'bitch' a 'whore' or a 'filthy slut'. This is not reality. Make it clear beforehand that you're just playing games, and fantasising.
Start off step by step. Start off by saying something like "I wanted to feel your body all day, I wanted to slip inside you all day babe". Move on very slowly, depending on the reactions. Just like compliance testing. Try whispering this in her ear "I want to show you how much I appreciate you wearing that sexy dress for me today, and seeing you wearing your glossy lipstick and power blue eye-make-up makes me what to do this . . . and this . . . and this to you" (all said in co-ordination with your thrusts). This will reinforce positively that you are rewarding her for looking good.
Move on and say "Your juicy red lips make you look like a cheap tart. Why are you such a filthy bitch?", and thrust faster and harder. Assume a new role . . . emperor and concubine, conquistador and amazonian . . . teacher and student . . . immigration official and asylum seeker . . . Nazi and Jew . . . woman and dog . . . landlord and tenant. Set your imagination loose. A fantasy to try out . . . your pet cat is transformed into a woman, and you can pleasure her all you want, while she is still 'meeowing'.
Have fun, experiment and have lots of pleasure.
IceDragon
First of all, you should be aware of what type of woman your partner is. Is she a working class girl, used to foul language, f this and f that? Or is she a classier girl, professional, intelligent, educated and a 'good girl'?
However, this perception can be deceptive, and can reveal very little about your woman's character in the bedroom. I have slept with many women who were sugar and spice, and all things nice outside, but transformed into she-cats, swearing and begging me to 'fuck them from behind', and telling me to 'fuck off', and 'I'm your little whore' once between the sheets. I have also slept with independent, feisty women, who, beneath the tough exterior, had to be treated gently, like barbie dolls, and were as placid as labradors, once I got them to bed.
Does your girl like gentle, tender lovemaking, or rough, fast, furious animal-style fucking? This can give you clues on how dirty you can talk to your girl.
Keep in mind that you don't want to affect your relationship outside the bedroom, so don't go around telling your mates what you did with your girl last night. It will come back to you, and it is disrespectful to your girl. While you're in bed, talking dirty - remember it is just a fantasy. She is not really a 'bitch' a 'whore' or a 'filthy slut'. This is not reality. Make it clear beforehand that you're just playing games, and fantasising.
Start off step by step. Start off by saying something like "I wanted to feel your body all day, I wanted to slip inside you all day babe". Move on very slowly, depending on the reactions. Just like compliance testing. Try whispering this in her ear "I want to show you how much I appreciate you wearing that sexy dress for me today, and seeing you wearing your glossy lipstick and power blue eye-make-up makes me what to do this . . . and this . . . and this to you" (all said in co-ordination with your thrusts). This will reinforce positively that you are rewarding her for looking good.
Move on and say "Your juicy red lips make you look like a cheap tart. Why are you such a filthy bitch?", and thrust faster and harder. Assume a new role . . . emperor and concubine, conquistador and amazonian . . . teacher and student . . . immigration official and asylum seeker . . . Nazi and Jew . . . woman and dog . . . landlord and tenant. Set your imagination loose. A fantasy to try out . . . your pet cat is transformed into a woman, and you can pleasure her all you want, while she is still 'meeowing'.
Have fun, experiment and have lots of pleasure.
IceDragon
The Skill of Seduction
Pickup is a skill.
The skill of seduction.
Like ANY skill, PICKUP CAN BE LEARNT.
Up to a point.
No one can be taught to be a brilliant pickup artist, just as no one can be taught to be a brilliant chess player. Brilliance requires talent. Whether any of us have the talent, is in the gift of God.
However, we can be TAUGHT COMPETENCE in pickup.
Competence is about not making errors.
We can be taught how not to make errors.
Simply that. No more complicated than that. No errors.
Just as most people can be taught to play chess, so too can they be taught the pickup game. An error-free chess sequence, like perhaps a youngster demonstrating the Sicilian Opening, will raise murmurs of approval, and generally cannot be critisised. The youngster may not be destined to become a brilliant chess player, but an error-free Sicilian is something most youngsters can be taught to play, even if a little woodenly.
In the same way, we can learn an error-free performance in the field.
But unlike the chess player, an error-free pickup is something more.
It is highly unusual.
Pickup without errors is no small achievement.
As with any skill, PRACTISE is what is necessary.
Reading posts and e-books will be perfectly useless in the absence of practise.
We learn pickup by doing.
So practise.
Practise. Practise. Practise.
The ideas you learn from forums are for trying out. If something does not work for you, form that opinion after you have tried it and not before. In the forums, there will be suggestions you disagree with, but what we must avoid is a keyboard jockey debate. TRY THINGS OUT, then debate them, not beforehand.
Pickup should involve experimenting.
Regularly.
Trying to IMPROVE existing skills.
Trying to create NEW skills.
Dont' sit around. Get up and do.
Practise in front of the mirror. Practise in front of friends. Practise to and from work in the quiet of your mind on the train. Always be looking for ways of developing new openers, routines, controlling sets, dealing with obstacles, dealing with interrupts, day two locations, peacocking, grooming, self-improvement, logistics, and more. Think new ideas and in time have the courage to try them.
IceDragon
The skill of seduction.
Like ANY skill, PICKUP CAN BE LEARNT.
Up to a point.
No one can be taught to be a brilliant pickup artist, just as no one can be taught to be a brilliant chess player. Brilliance requires talent. Whether any of us have the talent, is in the gift of God.
However, we can be TAUGHT COMPETENCE in pickup.
Competence is about not making errors.
We can be taught how not to make errors.
Simply that. No more complicated than that. No errors.
Just as most people can be taught to play chess, so too can they be taught the pickup game. An error-free chess sequence, like perhaps a youngster demonstrating the Sicilian Opening, will raise murmurs of approval, and generally cannot be critisised. The youngster may not be destined to become a brilliant chess player, but an error-free Sicilian is something most youngsters can be taught to play, even if a little woodenly.
In the same way, we can learn an error-free performance in the field.
But unlike the chess player, an error-free pickup is something more.
It is highly unusual.
Pickup without errors is no small achievement.
As with any skill, PRACTISE is what is necessary.
Reading posts and e-books will be perfectly useless in the absence of practise.
We learn pickup by doing.
So practise.
Practise. Practise. Practise.
The ideas you learn from forums are for trying out. If something does not work for you, form that opinion after you have tried it and not before. In the forums, there will be suggestions you disagree with, but what we must avoid is a keyboard jockey debate. TRY THINGS OUT, then debate them, not beforehand.
Pickup should involve experimenting.
Regularly.
Trying to IMPROVE existing skills.
Trying to create NEW skills.
Dont' sit around. Get up and do.
Practise in front of the mirror. Practise in front of friends. Practise to and from work in the quiet of your mind on the train. Always be looking for ways of developing new openers, routines, controlling sets, dealing with obstacles, dealing with interrupts, day two locations, peacocking, grooming, self-improvement, logistics, and more. Think new ideas and in time have the courage to try them.
IceDragon
Thursday 8 May 2008
Short Biography
I am IceDragon, a professional seduction instructor, based in the UK.
Although I am classed as an mPUA by my peers, I strongly believe that a perfectionist mentality must always be maintained and a powerful ability to attract and seduce the most beautiful women in the world should be developed and worked on a constant basis, and one should never rest on his laurels.
Although I have now diversified into lifestyle and coaching, my core art is the art of seduction, so I will begin from the beginning.
I first discovered the seduction community 3 years ago. I discovered a natural ability to attract women, and it soon became apparent that I was different, I had this inherent, powerful ability to create instant attraction, and my skills astounded my friends, and word soon spread.
I encouraged guys to approach girls from the beginning, and could talk about seduction theory and philosophy for hours and hours. I was invited to be made joint-owner of the original 'Yahoo Group' 'New Scotland Lair' (later known as the Scotland Lair). www.scotlandlair.co.uk/lifestyle.
As the forum developed and matured into the Scotland Lair, along with the increased activity and membership, so did my skills, reputation and relationships with my fellow seduction artists.
I organised lair lunches, weekly approach sessions, day seduction several times a week, one on one chats with other members, and I finally brought over a London seduction guru called James DeMarco, along with the world's current number three pickup artist, AFCAdamLondon to Scotland as part of the 'School of Seduction' bootcamp, so that my community could benefit from the experience of top London seduction experts.
I have always detested arrogance and the belittling and bitchiness which goes on in the seduction community.
To highlight the importance of letting go of your 'ego', here are some things people wrote about me:
[i]What strikes me about him is his demeanor. He seems genuine; relaxed; pleasant; and polite ...like he doesn't feel he has to put up some tough guy front like a lot of guys do. Maybe this is because of his martial arts and the fact he genuinely tough. I've also found this with friends with military backgrounds and a street brawler I know. There's no need for them to try too hard.[/i]
[i]He is the opposite of most of "big head" PUA (pickup artist) I meet usually. Modest and a tight game. This guy is probably one of the most friendly and easy going guy of the community I met. [/i]
[i]I have met IceDragon in person on many occasions. he is a genuinely awesome guy, has time for everyone, wants nothing but the best for them and i have never seen him be a cunt to anyone. ever.[/i]
[i]IceDragon is a very generous and decent guy, I've read posts from guys who paid him for tuition on here who either got extra free tuition if they needed it. He has also offered discounted martial arts tuition to guys on here. I really respect a giving attitude like that - it says a lot about him.
IceDragon is a thoroughly decent guy who I would always make time for, and I have learned a lot from reading his posts.[/i]
Seductionwise, I was bedding a different girl every week, I achieved countless same day lays from street approaches, got literally hundreds of phone numbers, and scores of dates with beautiful women of all nationality. I am pleased to say that I have slept with a girl from every continent!
I had girls flying from as far away as Surrey and Barcelona, just to sleep with me.
The big moment came when I was voted 'Scotland's Number 1 pickup artist' by a narrow margin. Was this a blessing or a curse? I don't know. Maybe I'll find out in 10 years time. It was very close, and it could have gone either way. The guy who came second, soon left the community and settled down with a girl. The guy who came third emigrated to Australia.
This changed my life within the community. I remember once entering the 'Mezzanine' room of a local nightclub with a girl, where 20 PUAs were drinking, and immediately, I was surrounded by guys wanting to shake my hand, and ask me a barrage of questions. I distinctly remember being asked the best way to 'create rapport' and 'where did you get that girl from, and how?'.
Some reviews I got from former students:
Before I met IceDragon, I was just out a 4-year relationship and felt insecure and sometimes unattractive. After meeting him and getting advice from him, I got more dates than I could handle. - Gordon, Clydebank
One night with IceDragon changed my social life. The guy has a power, energy and way of teaching/demonstrating/instructing that WILL change you for the better. I'm first hand evidence of this. - Steve, Glasgow
[i]IceDragon knows it all . . . his knowledge is amazing. IceDragon has vast experience of trying this stuff out in the field, which is very rare. As we all know there are a lot of people talking about gaming but at the end of the day not doing much, Ice seems to be out there all the time really living what he reads and learns. - James, Glasgow
I went out one day with IceDragon down town . . . we ended up number closing two hot girls over on vacation in a Costa coffee shop! Name a set and he'll approach it. He's also a total expert in attraction theory. - Alan, Glasgow
IceDragon is a top instructor! – Tony, Oxford
IceDragon, we are proud of you dude. - Abhishek, New Delhi
I have seen IceDragon in field many times and spoken to him at great length about theories etc. Don’t miss the opportunity of learning from him. - Mark, Glasgow
Guys, you will have a lot of fun with IceDragon! - Leo, Beijing[/i]
Proactivity - work, work, work, work, work and . . . work - I emailed Mystery Method, enquiring about becoming an instructor, and got a telephone call from a guy called 'Jeremy', who said that my 'CV' looked impressive, but I had to take a Mystery Method bootcamp before they could consider me'. I replied that it was out of my price range, and that was it. Many months later, I got an email from Savoy, asking if I was able to help out 'Tenmagnet' at a London bootcamp. I jumped at the chance. I spent the next month, studying the entire Mystery Method in depth, and going out every night, working on my MM skills. My journal about my Mystery Method experiences will be available on this blog.
I was invited to another Mystery Method bootcamp, by Sheriff. It was another amazing weekend, where I left with a lot of experience, and made friends with more top guys in the seduction community.
I had a great time working with Tenmagnet, Cajun and Masters, so I was feeling buoyed. I was bitten by the teaching bug, so I arranged Scotland's first SUPER SEMINAR, inviting top PUAs from London, Dublin and Holland. Matthew from Holland, DeepVertigo from Dublin and Gem from London turned up.
Seeing how successful our seminar was, the Central England Lair in Birmingham decided to host their own 'Birmingham Super Seminar', and invited me to speak. I went down, and while I was down there, Craze and Gem from 'Alpha Interactions' officially offered me the position of instructor. We had talked about it by telephone prior to the Birmingham seminar, but it was cemented in Birmingham.
Since then, I travelled down to London for an Alpha Interactions Instructors Training Course, and last month, I taught at my first ever bootcamp in Glasgow.
www.alphainteractions.com
Alpha Interactions have described me as [i]A cool calm and sophisticated member of the Alpha interactions team, it is no accident that Icedragon has been making waves and gaining widespread notoriety in the UK 'Seduction Community'.
Icedragon is a true perfectionist his commitment to self improvement and lifestyle development have led him on a relentless journey - you name it he has tried it. Icedragon has worked alongside some of the biggest names in the dating business and brings to the team a fresh approach built on the strong foundations of structured interactions combined with delicate social micro calibration. Icedragon also incorporates many factors from his intensive martial arts training into his 'game' and exudes a vibe of powerful hidden confidence.
A warm and friendly mentor, Icedragon's down to earth, non pretentious nature rarely fails to endear him to students. Icedragon will go out of his way to accommodate all and ensure optimum learning conditions regardless of your personal challenges. Icedragon is a solid rock of support for anyone feeling overwhelmed by the dating jungle.[/i]
I then came up with the PPC (Professional Players Club) concept.
www.professionalplayersclub.com
Drawing from my experience teaching and sitting on grading panels in the martial arts, I have formulated a way to drastically improve the standard of [b]YOUR [/b]game.
Time and time again, my email inbox and mobile phone is bombarded with messages from guys saying 'hey Ice, up for some daygame this week?'.
Sometimes I meet up with a guy, sometimes I don't, depending on how busy I am or the mood I am in.
When I do meet someone, after the initial half-hour of approach anxiety, etc, we make some progress. [b]Then I don't see the guy again for months.[/b] The standard is back to square one. There is no consistency, and that is what pains me.
It hurts me when I see guys at the same standard now as they were 6 months ago.
It's not their fault, in order to perfect a skill, be it the martial arts or the venusian arts, repeated practice is needed on a consistent, committed basis.
Ever heard the story of the hare and the tortoise? Well I want you to be the tortoise - ultimate winners.
Bootcamps are great - short bursts of intensity, but after they are over, then what? It's like going to a martial arts seminar and expecting to be able to deliver the goods.
Wouldn't it be great to have a Venusian Arts Club, like we have Martial Arts Clubs or Gym Memberships?
A weekly committment which we [b]HAVE[/b] to fit into our schedule, come hell or high water.
So, I have decided to set up the 'Professional Player's Club'.
[b]Why do students of martial arts improve and blast through their sticking points, throughout the world[/b]? What if they only trained once every 2 months? Would they make the same progress?
[b]HELL NO!!!!![/b]
I am proposing getting together a select group of committed and enthusiastic guys, who I will teach the game to two hours per week, [b]EVERY WEEK[/b].
Make no mistake, you will be pushed as hard, if not harder than I push my martial arts students. I have personally seen and taught beginners in the martial arts to a high level, I am expecting to see my first three black belts promoted in spring 2008.
[b]I want you to gain your black belt in seduction.[/b]
This will be taught as a normal class, starting with a good warmup, repeated practice, correction, wash, rinse, repeat, until your body language, tonality and gestures are those of a professional pick up artist. You will be monitored and given feedback, demonstrations will be performed, just as a normal martial arts class. There will be a warm-down, and you will leave each session feeling refreshed, in a super state and on top of the world.
Each week will be [b]progressive[/b], so it will be in your interests to ensure adequate attendance.
[b]You will be given homework assignments to complete.[/b]
This programme will force you to push yourself, and force consistency plus continual and steady improvement.
So, that's my story.
Lets work on developing your story, bring out your true potential, and make you the best seducer and MAN you can be.
IceDragon
Although I am classed as an mPUA by my peers, I strongly believe that a perfectionist mentality must always be maintained and a powerful ability to attract and seduce the most beautiful women in the world should be developed and worked on a constant basis, and one should never rest on his laurels.
Although I have now diversified into lifestyle and coaching, my core art is the art of seduction, so I will begin from the beginning.
I first discovered the seduction community 3 years ago. I discovered a natural ability to attract women, and it soon became apparent that I was different, I had this inherent, powerful ability to create instant attraction, and my skills astounded my friends, and word soon spread.
I encouraged guys to approach girls from the beginning, and could talk about seduction theory and philosophy for hours and hours. I was invited to be made joint-owner of the original 'Yahoo Group' 'New Scotland Lair' (later known as the Scotland Lair). www.scotlandlair.co.uk/lifestyle.
As the forum developed and matured into the Scotland Lair, along with the increased activity and membership, so did my skills, reputation and relationships with my fellow seduction artists.
I organised lair lunches, weekly approach sessions, day seduction several times a week, one on one chats with other members, and I finally brought over a London seduction guru called James DeMarco, along with the world's current number three pickup artist, AFCAdamLondon to Scotland as part of the 'School of Seduction' bootcamp, so that my community could benefit from the experience of top London seduction experts.
I have always detested arrogance and the belittling and bitchiness which goes on in the seduction community.
To highlight the importance of letting go of your 'ego', here are some things people wrote about me:
[i]What strikes me about him is his demeanor. He seems genuine; relaxed; pleasant; and polite ...like he doesn't feel he has to put up some tough guy front like a lot of guys do. Maybe this is because of his martial arts and the fact he genuinely tough. I've also found this with friends with military backgrounds and a street brawler I know. There's no need for them to try too hard.[/i]
[i]He is the opposite of most of "big head" PUA (pickup artist) I meet usually. Modest and a tight game. This guy is probably one of the most friendly and easy going guy of the community I met. [/i]
[i]I have met IceDragon in person on many occasions. he is a genuinely awesome guy, has time for everyone, wants nothing but the best for them and i have never seen him be a cunt to anyone. ever.[/i]
[i]IceDragon is a very generous and decent guy, I've read posts from guys who paid him for tuition on here who either got extra free tuition if they needed it. He has also offered discounted martial arts tuition to guys on here. I really respect a giving attitude like that - it says a lot about him.
IceDragon is a thoroughly decent guy who I would always make time for, and I have learned a lot from reading his posts.[/i]
Seductionwise, I was bedding a different girl every week, I achieved countless same day lays from street approaches, got literally hundreds of phone numbers, and scores of dates with beautiful women of all nationality. I am pleased to say that I have slept with a girl from every continent!
I had girls flying from as far away as Surrey and Barcelona, just to sleep with me.
The big moment came when I was voted 'Scotland's Number 1 pickup artist' by a narrow margin. Was this a blessing or a curse? I don't know. Maybe I'll find out in 10 years time. It was very close, and it could have gone either way. The guy who came second, soon left the community and settled down with a girl. The guy who came third emigrated to Australia.
This changed my life within the community. I remember once entering the 'Mezzanine' room of a local nightclub with a girl, where 20 PUAs were drinking, and immediately, I was surrounded by guys wanting to shake my hand, and ask me a barrage of questions. I distinctly remember being asked the best way to 'create rapport' and 'where did you get that girl from, and how?'.
Some reviews I got from former students:
Before I met IceDragon, I was just out a 4-year relationship and felt insecure and sometimes unattractive. After meeting him and getting advice from him, I got more dates than I could handle. - Gordon, Clydebank
One night with IceDragon changed my social life. The guy has a power, energy and way of teaching/demonstrating/instructing that WILL change you for the better. I'm first hand evidence of this. - Steve, Glasgow
[i]IceDragon knows it all . . . his knowledge is amazing. IceDragon has vast experience of trying this stuff out in the field, which is very rare. As we all know there are a lot of people talking about gaming but at the end of the day not doing much, Ice seems to be out there all the time really living what he reads and learns. - James, Glasgow
I went out one day with IceDragon down town . . . we ended up number closing two hot girls over on vacation in a Costa coffee shop! Name a set and he'll approach it. He's also a total expert in attraction theory. - Alan, Glasgow
IceDragon is a top instructor! – Tony, Oxford
IceDragon, we are proud of you dude. - Abhishek, New Delhi
I have seen IceDragon in field many times and spoken to him at great length about theories etc. Don’t miss the opportunity of learning from him. - Mark, Glasgow
Guys, you will have a lot of fun with IceDragon! - Leo, Beijing[/i]
Proactivity - work, work, work, work, work and . . . work - I emailed Mystery Method, enquiring about becoming an instructor, and got a telephone call from a guy called 'Jeremy', who said that my 'CV' looked impressive, but I had to take a Mystery Method bootcamp before they could consider me'. I replied that it was out of my price range, and that was it. Many months later, I got an email from Savoy, asking if I was able to help out 'Tenmagnet' at a London bootcamp. I jumped at the chance. I spent the next month, studying the entire Mystery Method in depth, and going out every night, working on my MM skills. My journal about my Mystery Method experiences will be available on this blog.
I was invited to another Mystery Method bootcamp, by Sheriff. It was another amazing weekend, where I left with a lot of experience, and made friends with more top guys in the seduction community.
I had a great time working with Tenmagnet, Cajun and Masters, so I was feeling buoyed. I was bitten by the teaching bug, so I arranged Scotland's first SUPER SEMINAR, inviting top PUAs from London, Dublin and Holland. Matthew from Holland, DeepVertigo from Dublin and Gem from London turned up.
Seeing how successful our seminar was, the Central England Lair in Birmingham decided to host their own 'Birmingham Super Seminar', and invited me to speak. I went down, and while I was down there, Craze and Gem from 'Alpha Interactions' officially offered me the position of instructor. We had talked about it by telephone prior to the Birmingham seminar, but it was cemented in Birmingham.
Since then, I travelled down to London for an Alpha Interactions Instructors Training Course, and last month, I taught at my first ever bootcamp in Glasgow.
www.alphainteractions.com
Alpha Interactions have described me as [i]A cool calm and sophisticated member of the Alpha interactions team, it is no accident that Icedragon has been making waves and gaining widespread notoriety in the UK 'Seduction Community'.
Icedragon is a true perfectionist his commitment to self improvement and lifestyle development have led him on a relentless journey - you name it he has tried it. Icedragon has worked alongside some of the biggest names in the dating business and brings to the team a fresh approach built on the strong foundations of structured interactions combined with delicate social micro calibration. Icedragon also incorporates many factors from his intensive martial arts training into his 'game' and exudes a vibe of powerful hidden confidence.
A warm and friendly mentor, Icedragon's down to earth, non pretentious nature rarely fails to endear him to students. Icedragon will go out of his way to accommodate all and ensure optimum learning conditions regardless of your personal challenges. Icedragon is a solid rock of support for anyone feeling overwhelmed by the dating jungle.[/i]
I then came up with the PPC (Professional Players Club) concept.
www.professionalplayersclub.com
Drawing from my experience teaching and sitting on grading panels in the martial arts, I have formulated a way to drastically improve the standard of [b]YOUR [/b]game.
Time and time again, my email inbox and mobile phone is bombarded with messages from guys saying 'hey Ice, up for some daygame this week?'.
Sometimes I meet up with a guy, sometimes I don't, depending on how busy I am or the mood I am in.
When I do meet someone, after the initial half-hour of approach anxiety, etc, we make some progress. [b]Then I don't see the guy again for months.[/b] The standard is back to square one. There is no consistency, and that is what pains me.
It hurts me when I see guys at the same standard now as they were 6 months ago.
It's not their fault, in order to perfect a skill, be it the martial arts or the venusian arts, repeated practice is needed on a consistent, committed basis.
Ever heard the story of the hare and the tortoise? Well I want you to be the tortoise - ultimate winners.
Bootcamps are great - short bursts of intensity, but after they are over, then what? It's like going to a martial arts seminar and expecting to be able to deliver the goods.
Wouldn't it be great to have a Venusian Arts Club, like we have Martial Arts Clubs or Gym Memberships?
A weekly committment which we [b]HAVE[/b] to fit into our schedule, come hell or high water.
So, I have decided to set up the 'Professional Player's Club'.
[b]Why do students of martial arts improve and blast through their sticking points, throughout the world[/b]? What if they only trained once every 2 months? Would they make the same progress?
[b]HELL NO!!!!![/b]
I am proposing getting together a select group of committed and enthusiastic guys, who I will teach the game to two hours per week, [b]EVERY WEEK[/b].
Make no mistake, you will be pushed as hard, if not harder than I push my martial arts students. I have personally seen and taught beginners in the martial arts to a high level, I am expecting to see my first three black belts promoted in spring 2008.
[b]I want you to gain your black belt in seduction.[/b]
This will be taught as a normal class, starting with a good warmup, repeated practice, correction, wash, rinse, repeat, until your body language, tonality and gestures are those of a professional pick up artist. You will be monitored and given feedback, demonstrations will be performed, just as a normal martial arts class. There will be a warm-down, and you will leave each session feeling refreshed, in a super state and on top of the world.
Each week will be [b]progressive[/b], so it will be in your interests to ensure adequate attendance.
[b]You will be given homework assignments to complete.[/b]
This programme will force you to push yourself, and force consistency plus continual and steady improvement.
So, that's my story.
Lets work on developing your story, bring out your true potential, and make you the best seducer and MAN you can be.
IceDragon
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